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Instead of cluttering up the other posts with sports crap, keep your insightful and witty comments about St. Joes here.  For example, I'd recommend call them St. Lilliputians. 

I've created a Natty Sci group at ESPN.Com The group name is NattySci and the password is CrazedBuffalo to get in.  Go to the NCAA Tournament Challenge page, and either sign up for the site or just login.  Create your bracket and then click join group.  Make sure when you search for NattySci you type it as one word.  It is pretty easy to do, but if you got any questions I'm sure someone can help you out if you ask a question.

Also note that you can create up to 5 entries.  Only add one of those entries into the NattySci group.  We could create a couple other groups with some rules (like take your favorite team to the championship, or one where you have to pick at least 50% of the games to be upsets).

Here's a link directly to the NattySci group for those who have already signed up.

Posted by Phil on March 10th, around lunchtime | 175 comments


Phil on Wednesday, March 10, 2004 at 5:49 PM

i think i'm going to vomit

Brock on Wednesday, March 10, 2004 at 7:28 PM

I'm guessing that is in reference to UofL's ass-whoopin' they put on East Carolina. Well folks... you asked for it... matchup #3! Its the RUBBER game!

Church on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 4:56 AM

At least it will be worthwhile game to watch. However, big props to TCU ending Marquette's season and keeping them out of the tourney. Take that Diener you Opie looking bastard

adrian on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 5:02 AM

Tonights game should be pretty good. You should see some good defense tonight and I think Cincy will edge out the cards. All though I don't give a rats ass about either teams, I will probably watch the game because what else comes on tonight.

Church on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 5:11 AM

Couple thoughts:
Brock or Phil, wasn't Depaul going to the Big East as well or am I mistaken.
The game will be good tonight, though don't overlook the St.Joe's-Xavier game. Xavier beat UC and is playing for their postseason lives and could beat the Liliputians
Also, UK will get a number one seed in the tournament, provided they win the SEC, it seems that the whoever finishes higher be it UK or MSU, will get the #1

adrian on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 5:19 AM

Hey Spaz, who do you think is going to win the tourney?

Church on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 5:30 AM

Number one, I believe the team between decided I was a dweeb, so there mr. jaeger and LOTR
I don't know, it all depends on the brackets and I thought UCONN was a decent bet, but it all depends on Okafor's back. Presupposing Okafor is okay and UK gets the number one seed. I think it will be UCONN, Stanford, and Duke for sure. If Duke is in the same bracket as St. Liliputian, than UK will make it. Though there are several teams I really like as sleeper teams: Depaul, Missouri, Michigan State, U of L, Murray, and you can never countout Gonzaga.
What about you Adrian your picks. btw, early in the season a writer said it was a guarantee Duke, GA Tech, and Wake would make the final four, what happened to tech

adrian on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 5:35 AM

If Okafor is healthy, watch out for the Huskies. But I think Ok. State or Texas will win it all. I think North Carolina will be the Sleeper in the Tourney and do some damage. Of course I would love for the Cats to go all the way, but we will have to wait and see.
What would be sweet is if Ky and Duke played. That is a great rivalry anyone could appreciate.

Church on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 5:40 AM

Adrian, everyone knows that the selection committee will always try to set up a Duke-Uk matchup. UNC isn't a bad sleeper nor is NC State. Texas is iffy and they have been somewhat inconsistent, but you never know. OSU is coached by Sutton and will therefore choke like all of his teams do. Any word on Oklahoma getting into the tourney, there is no reason they deserve to

adrian on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 5:43 AM

Oklahoma is god awful this year. If they get in the tourney, that is proof God must be a sooner!

Church on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 6:11 AM

If God is a sooner, then no wonder the world is going to hell in a hand basket. I don't think they deserve to get in, plus the spot traditionally reserved for OU should go to a mid major, besides OU would choke as usual

Brock on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 6:16 AM

Church - Big East transfers: UC, UofL, DePaul, Marquette, and HAHAHA HA South Florida... that'll be hilarious!

I think trying to predict the winner of the tournament before the brackets are out is an impossible endeavor.. It all comes down to your place in the brackets... UK can't make the final four if they encounter anyone tough before the regionals, and I think that'll hold true with UConn. The biggest fact is whether Duke gets a scare early... if they get a close game the first weekend, they usually make it to the Final 4.

Sleeper teams: OK state is a good choice, but I agree with Church that they choke too easily, which scares me about picking UNC because we don't know if Roy Williams carried that Kansas-choking disease over with him. Texas... Texas is a tough call, mainly b/c I haven't seen them much, but they had their run last year, so I wouldn't see them farther than the sweet 16. I just want to see teams from the lower conferences run the table on the ACC and SEC. I don't have much faith in C-USA teams in the tournament, but this is their year, if they get 6 in, they better put at least 2 into the Elite 8.

Brock on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 6:23 AM

I decided to start a new post just for tonight's games.

I will be cheering just as hard for Xavier as I will for UC tonight. Not b/c I like Xavier or anything, but I want those munchkins to get a head-check.

UC-UofL: It all goes back to the crossroads these two saw when they met last time. Both were coming out of miserable February and one went on an upswing from the win, and one struggled for a little longer. The only thing UofL has is the win over Memphis, but we all know how over-rated Memphis is. UC can take this win all the way to the conference championship, b/c Memphis is just not looking that intimidating, but I still think UofL would struggle against Memphis... those two teams are well matched. Tonights game depends solely on Maxiell, and whether he owns the paint. If UC dominates the boards, then they win... that was proved against Memphis, who shot 3's better than any team this year against them, but still lost b/c they couldn't rebound. George has to have a nutso game like he did against UK for UofL to win. The guards on both teams pretty much negate one another. UC has the added advantage of Kirkland and White who are both over 6'6" and slash... UofL hasn't been able to develop player like Jenkins to that potential, which I think will ultimately decide the game... who can penetrate!

Church on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 6:35 AM

Brock: it comes down to three things between the cards and the disciples of thugenomics
1. rebounding
2. three point shooting
3. fouls, first team to lose substantial players to fouls will lose. Besides, if U of L's shooters are on and they play liek they did against SLU, they should win. It's all about who comes ready to play. My God is this post littered with cliches. You cannot root for Xavier because if Lollipop Guild loses, Adrian will cry. Solid

Phil on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 6:52 AM

It all comes down to if the Louisville trainers can find the right mix of cortisone shots and Pepto-Bismol too keep the cards playing, and not look like they shouldn't be operating heavy machinery. Some games they've looked like they took horse tranquilizers to dumb the pain, other games they look like they've been given some Obecelp(tm) and have winced everytime they had to even hop.

Church on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 6:57 AM

There is an unfortunate choice with the Cards this week. If they win the tourney, which would be great, they would get a higher seed, but would have played four in four days and no telling how banged up we would be. A conundrum

Church on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 6:58 AM

I read today that Houston is looking at Mick Cronin to be their coach. He should stay at Murray, he'll have better success and a lot more opportunity to go to the NCAAs

Church on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 7:14 AM

Here is a sad display. Boston University was 23-5 heading into their conference tourney and considered a damn lock for the tourney, they lost first round. The shame is that they could have beat St.Lilliputian

Church on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 9:17 AM

The lollipop guild just tipped off and is trailing Xavier by six

Church on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 9:53 AM

St.Joes 21
Xavier 43 halftime

Brock on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 10:16 AM

Holy crap! I thought St. Lilliputian was bad, but Xavier is straight owning them....

I agree about Cronin, he should stay in Murray... at least until a better spot opens up... and IU may have a position soon.

Church on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 10:25 AM

No one knows much about Xavier this year, except possibly Brock since he lives in Cincy. They were great last year and were ranked at the beginning of the season. The benefit is that if St. Lilliput gets decimated, the that should open up a number 1 seed for UK

Phil on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 10:28 AM

I've seen Xavier play a couple of times (in particular I saw the last Duquesne game, and them beat Cinci). I'd say they are about as good as Louisville's been recently.

Church on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 10:30 AM

The pending liliput loss would mena either UK, MSU, Pitt, Gonzaga or OK state got the number 1, but I wonder how far St. Joe's would drop, maybe a three

Brock on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 10:34 AM

Xavier is just one of those teams that gets on fire sometimes and just sucks ass most of the rest of the time. The difference is St. Lilliputian doesn't have the inside game they need to slow down XU when they like to run. So, with a 22 point lead at the half, the Hawks can't make a very good comeback by rushing the floor, thats what Xavier likes... so they'll be trying to comeback with a strategy they don't like, which usually never works.

I call it! Duquesne is the dark horse of the A-10 tourney behind Andrew.

Phil on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 10:39 AM

Xavier 71, Saint Joseph's 37

Wow, I wonder what would happen if they get doubled up by a team? I'd hate to see them vs Louisville (we can't out muscle them), but they'd get stomped by UConn. I'm talking like a 90 to 30 point game.

Phil on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 10:41 AM

Look at these numbers by Xavier:
FG% .700 (28-40)
FT% .737 (14-19)
3p% .444 (4-9)

Church on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 10:41 AM

What about a defensive minded Big Ten team, Michigan State or UC could probably hold them to single digits

Phil on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 10:43 AM

Xavier is running layup drills according to Sportsline:
Layups: 14-15
Jumpers: 12-24
Dunks: 2-2

Church on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 10:44 AM

anyoen knows what the lines was on this game

Phil on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 10:44 AM

You know, when I get home I might set this post up so that it by default only shows the last 20 posts (with an option to expand it)

Phil on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 10:47 AM

Xavier has commited 16 turnovers too, and forced 9 at this point. But they are out rebounding St. Joes by almost 20.

Brock on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 10:52 AM

Told you that would happen when the munchkins finally played someone with some height!

Church on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 10:55 AM

Brock, while we all agreed St.Gulliver was overrated, they did beat Xu during the season

Phil on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 12:07 PM

Not sure if UK fans will like the news or not, but it seems they'll play Georgia tomorrow.

On one hand, Dennis Felton is undefeated vs UK. On the other hand, the odds of Georgia upsetting UK must be astronomical. You can only paint a turd some many times before you run out of paint.

Phil on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 12:16 PM

Did a little research on the actual St. Joeseph. He's the patron saint of happy death. No shit. Here's the prayer ( ):
O Blessed Joseph, you gave your last breath in the loving embrace of Jesus and Mary. When the seal of death shall close my life, come with Jesus and Mary to aid me. Obtain for me this solace for that hour - to die with their holy arms around me. Jesus, Mary and Joseph, I commend my soul, living and dying, into your sacred arms. Amen.

On a related note, his feast day is next Friday. Wonder if St. Joe's will play on Friday or not...

Brock on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 6:15 PM


Go ahead, bring the insults, whining, bitching and further pointless drivel. FACTS ARE FACTS boys!

Bigworm on Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 6:28 PM

I believe that St. Joe's and Stanford both peaked early, similar to UK a year ago. Going to be interesting to see how these teams respond.

And for the record, CARDS SUCK!

adrian on Friday, March 12, 2004 at 5:17 AM

Isn't today a great Friday morning? Lets recap last night...Louisville lost to the bitch ass bearcats. St. Joes gets creamed by X. Steve Bertuzzi gets suspended the rest of the Hockey Season (In my opinion his ass deserves to get kicked out of the NHL permanently. Georgia beat Auburn so UK can redeem themselves versus the Bulldogs. Oh Yeah...Matt Church is still a bitch!

adrian on Friday, March 12, 2004 at 5:22 AM

Correction...I meant Todd Bertuzzi...not Steve

Brock on Friday, March 12, 2004 at 6:02 AM

Adrian, you speak some wonderful words... you should be a preacher. I was even more surprised to hear the news guy say "Our bitch-ass Bearcats take down Louisville once again!"

I know you'll be mourning the St. Joes defeat, so I'll let that be.

I also know this isn't NCAA basketball, but that Bertuzzi piece of shit needs to stop crying... I don't know what was worse, the cheap shot or the sobbing baby who just got suspended. If they show that again, I'm going to vomit!

Ahhh... the Bulldogs, the Achilles' heal of the Wildcats... you know Tubby is throwing these games b/c he wants to go back to GA and take over. Lets hope Wildcat fans aren't bitchin' and moanin' tomorrow.

How about those Billikins!

Phil on Friday, March 12, 2004 at 6:17 AM

If Steve Moore wasn't injured, it would have been a non-story. I personally think that when they added the instigator penalty for fighting it encouraged this type of retaliation. Back in the day, the enforcers for the two teams would have knocked the crap out of someone in a fight and hockey would continue to police itself. The hockey culture still says that if you cheap shot my guy, you'll get something right back. The problem is this isn't enforced in a relatively controlled fight, it has to be done on the ice at full speed. Less fights, but the violence will be much greater.

It's a lot like the DH in baseball giving pitchers basically a free ride to throw at people. With bitch ass pitchers freely throwing at people full knowing they themselves aren't going to get plunked in their next at bat, you are left with bench clearing brawls and shit.

As for the Louisville game, you're insane if you think I'm going to loose sleep over a 2 point loss when we are coming off a whooping 22hours of rest. C-USA championship woulda been nice, but now at least Dean and Whitehead will be able to get more rest.

hoban on Friday, March 12, 2004 at 7:13 AM

First off Spring Break is wonderful to have still...Damn I hate reality of the real world comethis summer...Basktball...U Of L sucks and maybe this is showing one of two things either Con. USA is either really really good or all the teams suck...Guess we will find out in the coming weeks...Secondly the only way UK gets a number 1 seed is if they roll through the SEC and by roll I mean winning by more then 15 points a game including a win against Miss. St. Personally I think St. Joes still gets a number 1 seed regardless because while they play in a crap conference they did play the toughest out of conference schedule in the country, it is not their fault better teams don't want to play teams like St. Joes outside of theircofrence schedule. I think St. Joes and Duke still get number 1 seeds...If Miss St or UK wins the SEC they get a number 1 seed and I will put my neck out and say Pitt gets the last one
By the way Phil is right about Hockey...The 2 minute instigator penalty is a crap call...Plus I agree if Moore had not hit the ice so hardit would have been a five minute penalty...I don't think Todd really meant to flatten him into the ice. If you watch the replay their feet get tangled after the punch and that is what caused the fall and the real injury. The punch was not really a big deal the fall was...Fighting is part of hockey, but it should be done in a controlled way...

Church on Friday, March 12, 2004 at 8:11 AM

I agree with Phil, a two point loss, when we had to sit Garcia for ten minuites, nothing to be ashamed of, plus Memphis lost to SLU. Additionally, when Georgia beats UK for the third time it will be great to see little bitch Adrian crying like a little girl. The U of L loss gives us more rest and the need to cheer on UC sinc if they win the tourney our RPI will go up.

Phil on Friday, March 12, 2004 at 8:17 AM

I haven't done the math, but I'm pretty sure our RPI would stay about the same because for Cinci to win, a team we've played would have to loose. It should all even out.

Church on Friday, March 12, 2004 at 8:18 AM

Damn it, well provided UC wins the tournament, one would think we would be the second highest team coming out of the league, or I would hope

Phil on Friday, March 12, 2004 at 8:21 AM

I think we'll be seeing memphis and cinci as #5 seeds, and an all-CUSA extravaganza at the 6th seed.

Church on Friday, March 12, 2004 at 8:22 AM

I don't know, Memphis has lost three in a row to UL, UC, and SLU. U of L would be lucky to get a 6 seed, though it would be great to avoid Air Force since they play the Princeton offense and would annoy the hell out of our guys. Forde has dubbed U of L the Fighting Franciscos

Phil on Friday, March 12, 2004 at 8:31 AM

If I would have told you Cinci's path to the C-USA tournament was Louisville -> St. Louis -> DePaul/UAB a couple months ago, you'd think I wrote it backwards.

Brock on Friday, March 12, 2004 at 8:54 AM

Phil's got a point! It is backwards. However, I think you are too critical on the seeding. If UC were to win the C-USA title, they'd probably squeeze into the lowest 3 seed, definitely a 4. They are currently 13 in both polls, which puts them at a solid 5, but a lot of those teams in front of them are going to lose this week, and lost last week, so they'll slip in. UofL may fall to a 7 seed, but I think the FL/KY wins will keep them in the 6 range. Memphis will stay 6 just b/c they always get over-rated, but don't be surprised to see them at 7. Charlotte looks like an 8/9/10. DePaul has played their way to a 7 and UAB will probably get one of those 8/9 matchups. You know... even though they won't get a look, St. Louis deserves bubble recognition. The only bad loss they have is to SMS. They have the same conference record as Louisville, actually one more win if you count the tourney, and they've had a hot last 10 games. If St. Louis upset Cincy, and made a good showing in the finals, they would get some looks. Just goes to show you how shafted C-USA is... Maryland and Missouri both have lousy profiles compared to St. Louis.

GA-KY: There is definitely a conspiracy if GA wins #3!

Church on Friday, March 12, 2004 at 1:16 PM

Whil I think SLU deserves to get in, there is no way the committee will take seven unless SLU wins the tourney. There seems to be an unwritten rule that only the SEC and ACC get a mess of teams in. While the ACC is deserving I really doubt there more than three deserving teams in the UK and Friends conference. UK beating Georgia was shitty, but hell, looks like UK will get a number one seed

Brock on Friday, March 12, 2004 at 2:17 PM

You know, I look forward to Big East play, but I'll miss this rooting for the little guy thing we get from C-USA. Just can't wait to see some good rivalries... you know UC and Pitt and UC and WV are gonna rumble, but I don't know of any good matchups for UofL, maybe Syracuse.

kellie on Friday, March 12, 2004 at 3:28 PM

ha, ky beat geoergia and only needs 4 more wins!

Phil on Friday, March 12, 2004 at 3:57 PM

4 more more wins until they...are in the sweet 16?

Church on Friday, March 12, 2004 at 4:10 PM

Exactly Phil, UK is only aiming for the Sweet 16. IU had their first losing season in 34 years and didn't even make the NIT, which is okay because it is a loser's tournament according to Bracey Wright. There are some decent rvialries for UL of in the Big East. Aside from the C-USA teams, there is Notre Dame ( the old Big four classi), Syracuse, WVU, and Seton Hall.

Church on Friday, March 12, 2004 at 4:18 PM

Phil, any chance of linking a tourney pick em and win site to the page?

kellie on Friday, March 12, 2004 at 5:12 PM

is indiana ranked at all? i saw that they won their game today as well. forgot what the stats were on them.

Bigworm on Saturday, March 13, 2004 at 8:37 AM

Fuck it! Give UK a 16 seed for all I care. They will knock off a #1 and continue to write history for the winningest program in NCAA Bball history. Bottom line is defense wins championships people, hence the reason why Billy the Kid has not won a championship yet.

UK has solid defenders at all positions and the reason why they are having a good year is because they have faith in one another. It doesn't matter if the defender gets by Fitch or the Hawk because Chuckie and Daniels are in the post waiting to collapse on the ball. They fill the lanes well and disturb the oppositions offense better than anyone in college basketball. Here is the problem with UK, the offense is not always there. However, if Fitch comes off the bench that is a huge plus for UK because he can assume point guard responsibilities for the Hawk, he is UK's leading scorer with gives them some bench points, and Barbour does appear to play better when starting. His offense may not always be there but he is a hard nose defender, which is Tubby's trademark. They also have senior leadership in Fitch and Hawkins (which is an edge) and they know how to win the close games.

Kellie shut up about UK basketball, you may be a fan, however, it is obvious you DO NOT have a clue WTF you are talking about!

St. Joe's is not a Championship caliber team, they can't even win their shitty conference. They have exceptional guard play, however, that is it. The lack of an inside scoring threat and low post defense doesn't hold well in the Big Dance.

Adrian and Church sometimes I wonder if you guys have a clue at all about college basketball. Texas and OSU? WTF! I mean, I can understand why you would want to believe they will be dangerous in the tourny, but I think those same reasons were applied to OU much of the year by sports writers for wanting to keep them in the polls. In general the Big XII this year is down and I don't think they will be making a good showing this year.

As far as teams to watch out for:

UL - only if they are healthy and someone else can help score some points for the Cisco Kid.
Illinois - Rough start but has really settled in as late
Michigan St. - they play solid rough and tough basketball and have a dominant inside game (will really hurt the finesse teams)
GT - this is a scary team for anyone to play, I am sure UCONN and the Dukies don't want to play them
and I will agree with Adrian on this one....UNC - as far as talent wise they are top notch, but they do just choke at times.

What is going to make this year great though, there is not one team that has distinguished themselves from the pack so it remains wide open for now.

Phil on Saturday, March 13, 2004 at 10:16 AM

holy crap, i can't believe that seals guy just punched tony bobbit in the nuts. if i was depaul's coach i would have told him to give me his fucking jersey and get off the damn court when i saw that.

Brock on Saturday, March 13, 2004 at 11:27 AM

The guy could at least been respectable and punched him in the face, thats low for even Bertuzzi standards. Despite getting jabbed in the crotch, Bobbitt and UC still win the C-USA championship and are pretty much assured a #3 seed. They need that... a solid trip to the sweet 16 might be able to propel them a little farther.

I was looking at the most recent bracketology, and he's got UofL at a 6 seed against LSU. UofL as a 6 seed is not a good place for them. I just don't think a week is going to be enough time for UofL to recover. Pitino worked those guys too hard in the middle of the season instead of resting them. Without Dean shooting well and Whitehead rebounding, UofL will not make it to the second weekend. Lets just hope they find some miracle drug to repair those guys before next Thursday.

I was watching ESPN and they called UK and Wake Forest out as a possible early upset. What about St. Joes?? I know Wes will lose his mind, but I just don't trust UK this year. They may be winning games, but it always seems they do it by one play falling their way... and if it went the other way, they'd lose. Their luck is just not going to last. The lack of depth at UK is their biggest weakness. As long as they can run up the score early on teams in the tourney and sit their starters 9-10 minutes a game, they'll be fine, but most tourney games are 5-6 point grind out matches through the entire game, and I just don't think they could match the depth of a lot of teams in one of those games.

GA Tech is a good call for a sleeper, because they are on fire, but lets see how they do today against Duke.

Bigworm on Saturday, March 13, 2004 at 12:31 PM

I do agree with your comments, Brock, however UK does just know how to win, which says a lot.

UK out possibly early, all the analysts say that. And when they are still playing in April, they all called that one too, LOL, i.e. Vitale!

I am not calling GT a good sleeper team because they are on fire, I am calling them a good sleeper team because they have been beat down a lot in the ACC. Everyone talks about Duke from the ACC, but I think GT is the best team there. Another team I like is FSU, but they can't win away from home, so they might not get invited.

Phil on Saturday, March 13, 2004 at 6:16 PM

Watching the Maryland game convinced me that I was in fact a baller so I decided to go up to the carpeted basketball court in mallard crossing to work on my jump shot so Sensenbrenner couldn't kick my ass anymore. So I spend about 15 or 20 minutes working out kinks from not shooting in over 2 years (and I never shot well then either). Eventually I get in a groove. Well, right then 5 ballers show up. While they are shooting around I make about 15 straight threes. No shit. So they want to know if I want to play some 3 on 3. At first, I'm a pansy. But then I decided that I need to work off the four or five Jägerbombs from last night, so fuck it, I'll play. Shoot for teams, I'm dead on from a couple feet behind the arc. I'm stuck with two bigger guys, and the other team has this 5'7" guy that can fly. So as the small white guy, I've got to guard this little buddy. I'd like to say I contained him (I did get 5 blocked shots), but he scored 6 or 7 times on me. Terrible showing defensively.

But the long running moral of the story, that perhaps only Brock will appreciate, is that I turned to playing old man basketball to hide my suckiness. I played the whole game with my back to the basket, and shot over 70% from the field out of fear these guys would think I'm some punk white kid. Highlight of the night would have to be the turn around jumper from the baseline or the luke whitehead style one hand 180 rebound put back.

I also managed to not dribble once in an entire game because I was convinced one of these guys would just pick my pocket. Hooray for old man basketball!

adrian on Saturday, March 13, 2004 at 6:22 PM

Georgia Tech? G Tech will make it to the second round then get their asses handed to them. They are some pussy wipes that miraculously had a good year without Chris Bosh. How they did it, I don't know and I could give a rats ass. HOw the hell do you call them the best team in the ACC? Hellen Keller would even agree Duke is the best acc team.
On a side note, the only team that matters is UK so fuck every other team in the Tourney thats name isn't Kentucky. Oh, and we will wait and see what Ok St. does

Brock on Sunday, March 14, 2004 at 7:38 AM

Damn you Phil for making me want to go play hoops. Unfortunately, the playgrounds around where I live don't bring the same kind baller as Mallard Crossing, so I can't exactly use the old man basketball techniques against guys who'd just shove a shank in my back if I posted up.

So we'll definitely have to play when I come back in town... and Burket... no full court! I'm definitely getting to fat and slow to do that anymore... its embarrassing to be out-run down the court by your younger brothers.

Phil on Sunday, March 14, 2004 at 7:48 AM

My court at Mallard Crossing works well for 3 on 3. You just have to watch out for rug burns and stepersize shit laying on the ground.

Church on Sunday, March 14, 2004 at 9:40 AM

Wes, I have been saying Michigan State was going to make a run for a while. Also did anyone watch the Pac 10 final yesterday, both teams didn't look bad. Stanford looks like they could make it to even the final game. Washington looks like a sleeper.
My picks
Possible Final four teams
Stanford-good defense, few mistakes
UCONN- only if Okafor is healthy
Duke- No explanation
UK- despite my devotion tot he Cards UK could make it
U of L
Michigan State
Of course this all pendant on brackets

Bigworm on Sunday, March 14, 2004 at 10:11 AM

The Pac 10 game was pretty good indeed, and after watching it Stanford is going to be pretty tough in the tourney. Washington looks good also and will def. be a team to watch in the tourney. Yeah i also thought Michigan St. would be a force this year, they have good players who buy into the team concept, have exceptional low post play with Davis and one hell of a coach in Izzo. Have to go and watch my team play florida.

Bigworm on Sunday, March 14, 2004 at 12:50 PM

I hope you guys got to see the ACC Championship game. Phenominal game! Maryland was down by 12 with 3 minutes left to play and won in OT. This Maryland team has bought into the team concept and their staple is tough defense fellas. Another team to watch out for!

Church on Sunday, March 14, 2004 at 1:18 PM

Wes, congrats on your team's decimation of Florida. Maryland and Michigan State are mimicking last year, where they went into the tourney unranked and ended up meeting in the Sweet 16. Any thoughts on Wisconsin, they look okay at times, but it is a matter of how they would match up with a running team

Church on Sunday, March 14, 2004 at 4:17 PM

Fuck the selection committee there is no way we are a ten seed. Hell, we'll just have to go to the elite eight to prove it to the bastards.
St. Louis regional
Sweet 16 UK, Providence, Georgia Tech
Final UK over Gonzaga
Upset- possible UAB-Washington winner over UK
Sweet 16 Charlotte, Manhattan, Wisconsin, Oklahoma State
Final Wisconsin over Charlotte
Upset Charlotte over St. Joseph's, though only according to seeding
Sweet 16 Duke, Cincy, Texas, U of L
Final- Duke over U of L
Upset Murray over Illinois
Sweet 16 Stanford, Maryland, N.C.State, UConn
Final UCONN over Standford, if Okafor plays
upset Western Michigan over Vandy
FInal FOur
UK over Wisconsin
UCONN over Duke

Brock on Sunday, March 14, 2004 at 4:20 PM

Obviously, Wes is big about "buying into the team concept"

Did anyone watch the CBS Selection show? Billy Packer and St. Munchkinville are going to rumble! UT State should have been in, but they suck, so who cares. Although I think the Big 10 blows this year, Wisconsin straight got shafted with a 6 seed.

I think both Duke and St. Joe's could easily lose in round two. I keep wanting to pick Western Michigan over Vandy. Michigan St. has the best opportunity to be a sleeper, b/c they play Gonzaga in round 2 and thats a winnable game.

Louisville got shafted too, an 8/9 seed was the lowest they deserved, but they were the lowest in C-USA, so it sorta matches. There is a possible matchup of Cincy-UofL in the regional championship. This is matching right up with 1992! Memphis St was the 10 seed and UC was the 4 seed and they met for the 4th time of the year in the regional finals. Which makes me think Duke will get upset by AZ or Seton Hall, Louisville will be MS St. and Gonzaga is going to hit a last second shot over KY to make it to the Final Four. "Here's the pass to Stepp, puts it up... YES!!"

Church on Sunday, March 14, 2004 at 4:28 PM

I think there is a chance for a UC-Ul final. Duke has no inside game and there is no way there one center could match up with Maxiell and the monster Hicks. Brock do you think the Depaul cheapshot on Bobbit affected their seeding. Additionally there is no way Florida deserved a five seed. I would like to see Packer v St. Joe's. Finally, Utah State cannot bitch. The Big West tournament was set up so they only had to play two games to win and they choked. Also, UTEP, the A-10 sending four, three from the MWC. Damn

Brock on Sunday, March 14, 2004 at 4:29 PM

I like Phil's idea of optional brackets, just for the emotional fun!

Church on Sunday, March 14, 2004 at 4:31 PM

The question is which traditional choking team will choke first this year
or North Carolina ( normally they don't choke but look at their coach)

Phil on Sunday, March 14, 2004 at 4:50 PM

Church, you forgot about UC, University of Choke. The natti got a tough draw with East Tennessee St.

Brock on Sunday, March 14, 2004 at 4:52 PM

Someone check up on Church, he's actually not insulting UC, I hope you are ok man.

DePaul: They got were they should have been, they got lucking with the tourney seeding and just played it out... I'm actually split over Dayton beating them in the 1st round.

FL: FL did make the SEC finals, but they didn't have to play MS St, so that doesn't count for me. They should have switched FL and Wisconsin.

Billy Packer would straight own St. Joe's... so I'd like to see a CBS Sportscaster team vs. Joes. Billy Packer, Jim Nanz, Clark Kellogg, Greg Gumble, and that SI guy.

Choke-artists: Don't forget the Richmond Spiders are notorious for upsetting, and they play Wisconsin.

FL will definitely be the first to choke, followed by Kansas, but Kansas sucks this year anyway, so its not much of a choke.

adrian on Sunday, March 14, 2004 at 6:52 PM

Ok. State got shafted out of a number one seed but oh well. Its all about the cats baby with the number one number one seed. So it looks like it will come down to Uk vs Ok State and Stanford vs Uconn

adrian on Sunday, March 14, 2004 at 6:56 PM

Correction...Stanford vs Miss St. I believe Stanford will beat Uconn to make it to the final four and Miss St will sail through their brackets.

Bigworm on Sunday, March 14, 2004 at 8:59 PM

Okay even though I hate the BIG XII, OKlahoma State was freaking screwed over today simply because the selection com. was sucking Duke's cock. I know people are looking at the Washington/UAB winner against UK as a possible upset, however in my opinion, NOT GONNA HAPPEN! The reason why Washington beat Stanford is because the flying midget for Washington is a lot faster than the Stanford defenders and he has not seen the defender that awaits him in The Hawk (lightening quick and a lot stronger than the flying midget).

I think the best chance for a #1 to go down is Duke vs Arizona or The little hoes of St. Bitches vs. Texas Tech, Emmett is a baller for the General. So where are we watching games at fellas?

adrian on Monday, March 15, 2004 at 5:11 AM

Pittsburgh has a tough road ahead of them and so does Standford. I think the cats have already been jinxed because last night Vitale was saying it is 1998 de ja vu all over again with the cats and picked them to win the Tourney. Oh, and St. Bitch Ass Joes is going down to Texas Tech second round!

Phil on Monday, March 15, 2004 at 8:01 AM

Louisville plays at 9:40 Friday night. I'll hopefully be home by 5pm. I think I might just drive straight to Flannigans and get tanked. Who's coming with me!?!?!?

Brock on Monday, March 15, 2004 at 8:08 AM

This is kinda strange for me... Louisville and XU play, so I've got some freinds up here who went to XU and want to get together and watch the game, and you guys are watching the game in Louisville, so I have to decide whom to cheer for. Present some arguments! Both teams are equally hated by UC, maybe XU a little more.

Church on Monday, March 15, 2004 at 8:19 AM

Phil, while Flannagans is an okay destination, what about BW3s. What I want to know is how the A-10 got 4 in and the Mountain West got three. I think Charlotte will beat Texas Tech and St. Joe's. Everyone is talking about Manhattan making a run, which I believe is conievable. Howevery year a 12 or 13 makes the Sweet 16 and it is never the trendy pick. I like Murrary State to possibly do that, but they will certainly beat Illinois. I agree that OK State got shafted and am also looking forward to Wisconsin knocking both them and Pitt out. Another upsey, the Phoenix regional with NC State Vandy UL-Lafayette and Western Michigan

Phil on Monday, March 15, 2004 at 8:29 AM

I was going with flannigan's based on HDTV goodness.

Church on Monday, March 15, 2004 at 8:34 AM

Ah, but you cannot argue with the plasma screen greatness of bw3s

Brock on Monday, March 15, 2004 at 9:06 AM


Phil on Monday, March 15, 2004 at 9:20 AM

If we go to BW3's, I fear we'll need people there at 4 or even 3pm to obtain a table for the evening due to the UK game @ 7pm. Of course, perhaps the new hotness of the BW3s would allow some leeway.

And does anyone know the BW3 policy of sitting at a table and drinking for 8 hours is? From the commercials, it appears that it is almost encouraged, but as a restaraunt owner I'd get pretty pissed off.

Church on Monday, March 15, 2004 at 1:27 PM

I don't know about their policy of sitting for eight hours, but you cannot stay after they close to play the trivia game, or so I have found out

Phil on Monday, March 15, 2004 at 5:14 PM

ESPN Classic just showed the 1990 Michigan v Loyola Marymount game where Loyola (an 11 seed) dropped 149 points on Michigan (a 3 seed). Good times.

Phil on Monday, March 15, 2004 at 6:26 PM

hope you don't have murray state going very far in the tournament:

hoban on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 6:19 AM

What is the deal...All this smack talking about who everyone thinks is going to win and only 4 people have signed up for the Espn tourney pick thing...Come on don't talk unless you want to try and back it up...Personally I have UK winning it all but I don't know if it will really happen but that Blue Blood always makes me pick them...Oh well
Upsets -
Utah over BC (Utah seems to always show up late in the year)
Man. over Florida (Kentucky showed that Florida's number 1 ranking earlier in the year was way over rated)
Richmond over Wis. - Don't know why just seems to be a good pick
South Carolina over Memphis (I guess I just like the SEC to get more then two teams out of the first round)
Western Mich over Vandy
Dayton over Depaul
Waiting to here the outcome of the drug bust for Murray St.

Phil on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 6:31 AM

Don't forget, you can't spell upset without UTEP baby! Maryland is a classic ACC choke team coming off an emotional high of pulling off some close, contested tournament games. Gilchrist just doesn't strike me as the type of player that brings his A game when he sees a UTEP jersey instead of a Duke jersey.

Brock on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 6:33 AM

Phil, I can't remember who you just plagarized, Digger Phelps or Dick Vitale, but maybe a merge of the two. I swear I heard those picks and comments last night on ESPN.

Phil on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 6:35 AM

Andy Katz, you jackass.

Travis on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 9:36 AM

I just want to let all of you know that I'm about to give all you another reason to hate the people of the Great State of Indiana, by beating all of you in the ESPN brackets. My team might not be able to make it post season play but I think I can do alright in it.

And for all you upset pickers, is Manhatten over Florida really an upset when everyone and their mother picks it? That's why I took the "true" upset and have Florida in the Sweet 16.

Church on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 9:40 AM

There is no way Richmond is beating WIsconsin, besides they better not since I have Wisconsin making a run

hoban on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 9:55 AM

First off Matt the Big Ten sucked this year and Wisconsin will go down...Secondly anyone who saw the UK florida games the past couple weeks knows that Florida sucks because while UK won many games this year they rarly blew out good teams and they blew out florida twice...

Oh and Matt Liverpool still sucks...How can you miss so many penalty shots Owen...HAHA

Church on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 10:00 AM

Hoban, firts off how you doing and you suck. Wisconsin is playing the first two games in Milwaukee against RIchmond and choking prone Pitt team. Secondly, OK State will choke because they are Oklahoma State and coached Bastard Eddie Sutton. Then the upper half of the bracket, my god, St. X could come out of that half against an erratic Wake team, Florida, the lollipop guild, and Charlotte. Also, if lilliputia wins I think veryone's brackets are screwed. On EPL, Arsenal will win the title again this year, la te da, they'll still choke in Europe. Liverpool rules

Phil on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 10:00 AM

Travis! I whole heartedly agree with calling the Florida game an upset. It would be like calling Louisville a cinderella team if they make it to the sweet 16.

Church on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 10:01 AM

not if they make ot the sweet 16, it's when the make it

Phil on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 10:03 AM

Richmond don't care about no away games. Look at this line up:

01/17 Richmond 59, (100) Temple 52 Away
01/22 Richmond 69, (15) Kansas 68 Away
01/25 Richmond 53, (35) Xavier 44 Away
01/31 Richmond 72, (74) George Washington 65

hoban on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 10:06 AM

Matt U of L really has little chance of making it out of the final 32...There is no way they can beat Mississippi State down low...I agree U of L should be a sweet sixteen team with their talent but the draw went against them...Sorry just don't see it happening U of L fans...Oh and Phil is right about Richmond...
On Eddie Sutton I agree that he should rot in hell for what he did with U of K back when but he does have a good team this year and could go to the final four if things fall right

Church on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 10:48 AM

Whoever wins between Wisconsin and Pitt will beat OK State. Also, everyone is talking about Manhattan making the sweet sixteen, what about VCU, not too bad a squad. FInally, is anyoen else serisouly thinking about picking Air Force over UNC. I have the odd premonition of an Air Force-Princeton secodn round game, where the final score is 12-10

Phil on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 11:12 AM

The UNC plays against NC State in the ACC, so preparing for the princeton offense isn't that big of a deal to them. No way will you see Princeton vs Air Force.

Phil on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 11:22 AM

I just noticed something. The Big 12 player of the year was John Lucas. The SEC player of the year was Lawrence Roberts. Both player for Baylor last year. How does a team go 14-14 with two guys who would go on to be POY in their conference the next year? What a messed up team.

Brock on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 11:51 AM

First off, I don't know Travis, but sorry, since you live in Indiana, I assume you are a smelly, dirt-eating, corn-fucking, red-headed stepchild. Nothing personal, I just fucking hate Indiana! Not b/c of IU, just b/c its the ass-pit of Louisville and Cincinnati. No matter where I live, in KY or OH, they think IN blows, it can't be coincidence. Oh, and so does Michigan, but for a whole other reason. Had to get that off my chest!

Hoban: Although you are bastardizing the NCAA folder with mention of soccer, you are right about Florida, that team is pathetic. Which leads into my belief that the SEC is far too over-rated. They get way too much credit for beating each other. But, since its the SEC, they always get the yellow-brick road laid for them in the tournament, which makes me think that an SEC team will beat St. Lollipop Guild... South Carolina??? FL is to shitty to make it that far.

Church: I know you hate OK state, but those guys look pretty tough to me. I honestly haven't seen much of Pitt, but I think the bottom of that bracket is going to be a war. All you need is Lavar Seals speed-bagging players nuts to finish it off. You are right about Wisconsin though, they are ripe for a run through that bracket. Richmond is just too obvious for an upset, give me East Washington over Gonzaga!

VCU! That old piece of shit leftover from the Metro??! Granted Wake is whacko sometimes, but they can finish off VCU and any crap Tarheel leading them. Yeah... I remember what you did in '93 Jeff Capel!

Baylor: Who would play well when you're worried that the guy riding the bench is going to shove a shank in your back when you get some Gatorade.

Phil on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 11:57 AM

Brock, I thought you met Travis. It's Mindy's brother ya jackass.

Phil on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 12:00 PM

And as for Indiana, I've been driving through there on my way to and from Ohio. And they have these big signs that say "the cross road of the US" or something like that. And each time I see them I think "even the state knows that the only reason I'm here is to get some place else."

Travis on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 12:07 PM

Glad to hear just as I thought, that none of you have any respect for the great state of Indiana. Without Indiana, there would be no great movie called "Hoosiers". Someone try to dispute the fact that the movie Hoosiers isn't one of the finest basketball movies of all time. Of course, if you dispute it then I will know how dumb you are and so will everyone else.

Now as for some of your picks. I agree with Air Force over North Carolina in the first round. That's going to happen, so just chalk it up in writing right now. Roy Williams is a great coach (in the regular season) but he is a choke artist in March. Air Force is for real this year and they are headed to the Sweet 16.

Phil on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 8:32 PM

I created a second group called Natty Sci Fantasy Land. Put your homer picks in this one. For example I have UAB, Memphis, Louisville and DePaul in the final four. Bring it.

Oh, the password is CrazyGoNuts

Mindy on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 8:33 PM

WHY WON"T IT LET ME MAKE A BRACKET!!!!!!!!?????????????????

Mindy on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 8:38 PM


Phil on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 8:49 PM

I've made three.

What's it telling you?

Mindy on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 8:57 PM

FIrst it said something about turning PHil's Phone on...


IT just goes back to the original screen after I type in NattySci and CrazedBuffalo.

The Computer is mocking Me.

I think I have Computer Rage. yup.

Phil on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 9:09 PM

on that main page, they want you to enter your username and password. click on the link to the right of the sign in button that says "Register for a free account" and sign on up.

Once you are signed up, use that username and password to fill in the member name and password. you'll have a button that says create entry, and then you'll be able to join the natty sci group.

adrian on Wednesday, March 17, 2004 at 5:27 AM

The only place Air Force is headed is to NOrth Korea when we start bombing them. Air Force has a snow balls chance in hell against UNC. Air Force will be lucky to score fifty points. Oh, and I was really considering having louisville get beat the first round because we know how big of ass chodes they are but I had them prevailing to the 32.

Brock on Wednesday, March 17, 2004 at 5:48 AM

Come On! Both Wes and Chris have failed to post brackets yet. Stop analyzing and just pick bastards!

Church on Wednesday, March 17, 2004 at 7:16 AM

Adrian what do you think about the current speculation that GA Tech is going down first round. Go Florida A&M

Phil on Wednesday, March 17, 2004 at 7:23 AM

Georgia Tech? Northern Iowa is a bunch of slow munchkins. Not only that, but it's their first time there since 1990, and it's the first time the coach has been there.

That ads up to a "we are just glad we made it game." Although I bet Northern Iowa might stick around for a while...

Phil on Wednesday, March 17, 2004 at 7:30 AM

Does anyone think Cinci is going to take it to Duke? This is killing me. I know Cinci has the talent to beat Duke (Bobbit alone could keep JJ One-deminsional to five points), but I just think their attitude and lack of discipline will cost them the game.

And god knows what Whaley is going to bring to the table now that he's back. He might be back on the team just to stab a ref and then rape a cheerleaders during a game.

Right now I have ZERO #1 seeds in my final four. That just ain't right.

Church on Wednesday, March 17, 2004 at 7:30 AM

Yeah, my best chance for an upset was Murray, but with the suspension. Damnit, they should put that on the Yahoo headlines as the top story with a big blinking light that says reconsider your brackets

Phil on Wednesday, March 17, 2004 at 7:34 AM

Did anyone see Queemont Greer say that if his buddy the weiner puncher is suspended that DePaul would dedicate the game to him, and play in his honor?

What's their plan, run the old "kick ass on two" play and punch the other team in the crotch on the tip off while yelling "for great justice!"?

Church on Wednesday, March 17, 2004 at 7:38 AM

To steal a page from Jay and Silent Bob strike back, that Seals guy should henceforth be known as cockknocker. Well, everyone have a great St.Patty's/Fake Irish Day. If you all get out in the Highlands give me a call

Brock on Wednesday, March 17, 2004 at 8:54 AM

GA Tech is a nice little sleeper in that bracket, but if you need #1 seeds to move into the Final Four, I lean towards Stanford. KY would be my second choice.

As for Duke: Its not just Bobbit who will own Duke defensively, Kirkland is 6'8" point guard, there is no way Dujon or Redick could shoot over that... look at DePaul, they didn't even make a 3 until 2 minutes left in the game. After the Louisville debacle, Huggins is demanding pressure on the 3-point line. The inside game of Duke is non-existant b/c I swear that Sheldon Williams has Down's Syndrome, look at him...

Murray: I used to play Adam Chiles in driveway basketball all the time. He was like only 8, but I still owned him. Thats the problem with the state of KY, why do the police even bother fighting the pot? Its the only thing they do in Murray, Morehead, Bowling Green, and Richmond.

How flaming is a name like Queemont Greer? Thats so easy. I agree with Phil, that's almost as dumb an idea as Germany Soccer dedicating their next World Cup match to Hitler.

hoban on Wednesday, March 17, 2004 at 8:57 AM

People smoke pot in Richmond....I have never ever seen someone smoke up in Richomnd (cough cough...waving smoke from in front of computer screen)
Phil I think Matt is right UK or Stanford should make it, I only have UK though...No way is duke getting through that bracket...I think the committee had it in for duke after the maryland game

Phil on Wednesday, March 17, 2004 at 9:14 AM

Opps, my mistake. I did take Stanford. All the way to the national championship. But the rest are two seeds and Cinci. By two seeds I mean Ok St and Gonzaga, which have just as much claim to a #1 seed as Kentucky, St. Joe's or Duke. I mean duke is 6-4 over their last four games. WTF? That's worthy of a #1 seed?

Mindy on Wednesday, March 17, 2004 at 1:17 PM

Yay! I have a bracket now.

For the record-Before anybody looks at my bracket- I would just like to say that I know nothing about basketball stats.

I chose the teams whose names I had heard of the most, added a splash of eenie-meenie-miney-mo, divided by their ghettoness and multiplied it by how cool their mascot was.

And viola...
Its the method that basketball fans cringe at...

joe on Wednesday, March 17, 2004 at 1:32 PM

my bracket is a joke i might finish last...I just randomly picked teams...Murray state and UL in the elite 8 baby!!!!

Jay on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 2:30 AM

My bracket will lose to yours, Joe. I didn't even use anything scientific like Mindy did, I mostly just looked at their record...which is a horrible way to do it.

Phil on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 4:41 AM

let see...the people that took the longest to submit a bracket are the same ones claiming not to try. i remember that technique from high school.

you can't beat the "man, i so didn't study for this test" prior to a test, even if you spent weeks preparing. that way you are good to go baring a failure or an A+++. In a failure you can be all like "dude, i did pretty well for not studying" and if you pass you can be all like "dude, i didn't even study. bow before me!" so jay, mindy and joe, we all know what you are trying to do.

as for one of my brackets, i went the totally geeky way on one of them. i took a look at the offensive production of a team vs the average offensive production of their opponents, and the average deffensive "production" of a team vs the average number of points their opponents score.

so if duke averaged scoring 85 points a game against opponents who normally only give up 75 on average, they are a +10 in offense. and if their opponents normally score 70 points a game, but are held to 65 on average, duke a +5 in deffense. Making duke a +15 overall.

This led to a pretty interesting bracket. I'll post it in the afternoon when everyone can look at each others.

Yes, I have too much time on my hands at work.

hoban on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 5:53 AM

I swear that Phil said somewhere to only post one of our brackets...Just wondering because I have other ones to but anyway...

Phil on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 6:13 AM

i guess burket and joanna are just hedging their bets. I went ahead and created a group called NattySci Other with a password of other to put any other random brackets in.

Phil on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 6:15 AM

holy crap, i didn't even notice kellie managed to get freakin' six brackets on there. wow.

i got bored filling out my fourth.

Phil on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 6:17 AM

btw, for the purpose of discussion if you put eighten brackets up there, you can only talk smack about your picks for the first one.

Mindy on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 7:01 AM

Can't you only have FIVE?
Or can you make more account names..........hmmmm...
Let's see, 11-tybillion names times 5 brackets.....I think that would increase my odds.

Anyway, I filled out five- hello plasma TV!

Phil on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 7:13 AM

By my calculations, you'll need 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (2^63) brackets filled out.

Of course, assuming that the 16th seed never wins, you only need 576,460,752,303,423,488 brackets to win.

Church on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 8:09 AM

Euro trash traitor? I am not euro trash damn it. Where did you all go for St. Patty's Day

Phil on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 8:11 AM

Heh, I went to my hotel room and then watched NIT basketball babYYY!!! Best part of the night was when Digger Phelps said that Notre Dame only breaks out the green jerseys for special occations and against good opponents, not for Purdue.

Church on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 8:19 AM

Has Utah STate played in the NIT yet? If they lost first round then they should never be allowed to bitch again. I just hope Charlotte comes through for me today. Does anyone have St. Joe's going past the second round? This is the greatest day of the year, watch basketball, recover from my hangover, and try to figure out how much money I spent last night. Flannagans had that garage in the back opened and turned into a bar, rather cool, from what I recollect

Phil on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 9:16 AM

Utah State got their ass kicked by Hawaii last night, first round:

Church on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 9:23 AM

Utah State's schedule is weak. If you pull it up, their losses were to Utah, Pacific, and CS Northridge and thye played no one with a decent RPI. Even if they had one loss, they shouldn't have gotten in.

Phil on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 10:08 AM

jesus florida. why did i think the sec didn't suck? a

Church on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 10:24 AM

Texas Tech is getting damn close to ruining my bracket

Phil on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 10:36 AM

Best 10 bucks I've ever spent:

Phil on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 10:42 AM

Florida doesn't even look like it's trying. Manhattan just walked down the court, handed it to one of their best three point shooters. He makes a three with no one from florida even looking at the dude.

Florida looks like they are playing Athletes in Action in some exhibition game, and are already up by 60 points. They just don't care.

Brock on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 10:43 AM

Current Natty Sci favorate to win it all:

Kentucky 6
Connecticut 5
Duke 3
Stanford 3
Cincinnati 2
Louisville 2
Texas 1
MS State 1

Some of those shouldn't count b/c Kellie is just a loon.

Church on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 10:46 AM

The Charlotte-Tech game is just ugly, I wish thye were showing Manhattan-Florida. Anyone think Liberty can take out lollipop guild today

Jay on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 10:51 AM

I'll drink to that. Two or three times.

Phil on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 11:21 AM

Brock, that NCAASports site I posted lets you watch any game in the nation...

Church on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 11:32 AM

Damn Texas Tech. One of my brackets is now busted

Phil on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 11:43 AM

your c-usa all the way bracket?

Church on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 11:44 AM

Nah, I had Charlotte in the Sweet 16 after their decimation of the Lilliputs. Besides, one I had them in the final eight. AARGH. Hey at least I got Manhattan right, maybe it's a scam because it sound like Florida just laid down against the Jaspers

Church on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 11:48 AM

How about this UTEP performance?

Phil on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 11:59 AM

You mean chokey mc utep. i'm oh for the day.

Church on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 12:01 PM

UTEP hasa good point guard. I wanted them to win, but then I realized I didn't pick them so I am glad for the loss. I'm 2 of 3, I need Bama to come through for me in the afternoon session. I don't remember who I picked in the Wake game

Brock on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 12:19 PM

I saw your post Phil, but I'm a cheap bastard and don't want to spend $10. I actually do work sometime during the day, so I wouldn't get the full use.

Phil on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 12:19 PM

Hey, on the bracket I put together like 5 minutes before the lock time I'm 3 for 3. I'm a genius!!!!!

UTEP and Florida killed me in the one I put in the NattySci one though. I only had one in the Sweet 16, but its not good times to be 0 for 3. Especially when you make an assumption like "man, florida was in the SEC championship. No way they go out like chumps." right....

Jay on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 1:02 PM

Oh my God! I'm not in last place. Church, you suck!

Phil on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 1:08 PM

With VCU up at the half, church might pull a "if you throw enough shit at the wall, it will eventually stick" call of the week.

hoban on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 2:15 PM

shit me I can not believe that Alabama won but the Florida game was actually a great game to watch...

Brock on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 2:21 PM


Phil on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 2:33 PM

I can't believe how incompetent the BYU coach is. Simply refused to double down in Syracuse's big guys, and kept putting short guys on McMacnamara who were getting burnt.

And then the whole can't sub in without any time coming off the clock incident at the end. Total clusterfuck.

Church on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 3:10 PM

Okay my blind guess bracket is guaranteed for last place in the group, but I do have two tied for second. VCU had that game. Oh well. McNamara went crazy in the Cuse game. BYU is always funny to watch since all of the players have kids and wives. However, the decision to not put their best defender on McNamara was dumb as was their coaching they deserved to lose. How about the Charlotte too little too late rally

Phil on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 3:13 PM

Texas-San Antonio is within 8 of stanford with 12 minutes to go...

Phil on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 3:14 PM

Make that within 6...

Bigworm on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 3:25 PM

Sorry fellas no bracket from me this year. Didn't want to jinks my team. Alabama knocked off the first domesticated dog this year (Sulukis). Florida really sucked it up, and freaking charlotte, for once I went with a CUSA team and look what happens, The freaking general wins a 1st round tourny game.

Phil on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 4:20 PM

uh oh UConn. My secret upset pick Vermont is up 7-0 on UConn

Phil on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 4:39 PM

24 all in the vermont v uconn game.

hope you suckers aren't stuck watching the duke or nevada games.

Phil on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 4:47 PM

Vermont is starting to look like crap. Throwing up bad shots.

Princeton up by 8 over Texas

Phil on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 7:24 PM

Let's see...Air Force and Valpo is up. Represent the state of Indiana Valpo!

Hey Travis, I don't know if you caught the Notre Dame v Purdue game on ESPN, but they asked Digger why they Notre Dame wasn't wearing the green jerseys. Digger said that they "only bring them out for big games or against big time opponents. Not against Purdue." Comedy gold.

Phil on Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 7:29 PM

my quest for bracket hell know that i'm last place is happening. four games, and in each an underdog is up.

watching the air force game is pretty cool. the air force coach turns away and take a drink of water during the air force free throws. he's done this for two straight years...

hoban on Friday, March 19, 2004 at 3:46 AM

Fuck every damn team....I lost five games yesterday but at least I have nobody out past the next round yet....

Oh and I know this is bad soccer content but Matt check this out

Sunday, July 25
Manchester United v Bayern Munich
Soldier Field, Chicago

and a longer way...
Tuesday, August 3
AS Roma v Liverpool
Giants Stadium, East Rutherford

adrian on Friday, March 19, 2004 at 5:25 AM

Leave the pussy ass soccer shit in the other sections. This is basketball Beatchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! I am just fucking with ya Hoban.

Wake Forest got pretty lucky last night. They would have really screwed up my brackets. I thought texas was going to go down last night but they prevailed.

hoban on Friday, March 19, 2004 at 5:37 AM

did anyone else watch the whole Dayton game...fuck that messed me up...Damn conference USA two of my missed five were games that they were in...I picked Charlotte and they lost and Depaul won...Oh by the way on Sportscenter they are picking Xavier over Louisville and well I am pretty sure they were 100% correct on yesterday's picks...Sorry U of L fans but I am going with ESPN Xavier wins tonight...

Phil on Friday, March 19, 2004 at 7:00 AM

Use the new "Day One" post to add comments about the tourney please. This sucker is almost 100k...

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