Got a Bad Case of Crazy

So I'm in the 'natti. I wake up, shower, start getting ready and go to put on some deodorant. There is none. I left the little bastard at home. So I'm freaking out. I'm going to have eleven people in a classroom that really would only be comfortable for maybe eight. With no deodorant. Luckily, I'm staying at the Candlewood Suites. Sure, I can hear my neighbor simply dialing their phone, and I'm pretty sure they are smoking right next to our two-way door between the rooms (in a non-smoking room). And yes, the TV sucks and there is only 17 channels. But, they do have the Candlewood Values. Which has travel size deodorant. But, this deodorant is untested. Will it perform as well as the Old Spice High Endurance Pure Sport? I don't know. I do know the shit doesn't smell very good. Perhaps it just masks the smell of BO with it's own bizarro stench.

And yes, I know has had a bad case of the boring recently. It seems to be used solely for making lunch dates and for kellie to randomly thank us for shit we never did nor care about. But fear not, Big Jay is working on something cool, and my brain should start working any day now. So stay tuned.

Posted by Phil on June 21st, in the middle of the night | 294 comments


adrian on Monday, June 21, 2004 at 5:43 AM

Phil, you just made a post about freaking deodorant. No offense buddy, but that post is far worse than any one of the million posts of kelley's.

And you are right that nattisci has become gay. But your last post just added a whole new level of gay. I am talking "Queer as Folk" gay.

Joanna on Monday, June 21, 2004 at 6:23 AM

thanks phil...i needed a Monday morning laugh.

Phil on Monday, June 21, 2004 at 7:10 AM

sorry I'm not living up to your standards Adrian, but that "you guy's are awesome" post required drastic measures.

adrian on Monday, June 21, 2004 at 7:37 AM

I agree

Brock on Monday, June 21, 2004 at 8:22 AM

Is this a case of the pot calling the kettle black Adrian?

I think the general consensus of this post is that things have slowed down a bit in the creativity dept. However, isn't that supposed to happen in the summer?

I think this is an excellent opportunity to brainstorm advancements at Maybe a NattySci 2.0?

Random ideas:
1. Jay's Music page
2. Compilation of Kellie's rants page
3. A "Who wants to go to lunch?" page, so Marc and Adrian don't clutter the regular posts with love letters.
4. Marc's Daily Movies page- It would be cool to just click on a link that has Marc's stuff all in one page, so you don't have to search the posts for them, maybe even a little request form.
5. Calender - Sci's plans for weekends: I know this will just be Wick's and Flanagan's 3-4 days a week, but it saves Wes the weekly "Whats up this weekend?" post.

adrian on Monday, June 21, 2004 at 8:34 AM

Will Okafor go number one or will Dwight Howard? Both would be great draft picks and add talent to the sucky ass magic.

Phil on Monday, June 21, 2004 at 9:24 AM

Rumor has it that Orlando is leaning toward Howard, but it is going to come down to what happens with T-Mac. If T-Mac is traded for vets, they will probably take Okafor, and if the trade is for younger guys, they'll take Howard. I guess it's a compete now, or compete in 3 years situation.

I'm interested in is seeing how the first round pans out. Some teams are saying that it's not worth drafting anyone after the 21st round because they don't want to stuck with the guy they draft. They'd rather take them in the second round and see what happens.

Phil on Monday, June 21, 2004 at 9:24 AM

By 21st round, I of course meant 21st pick.

Green Baron on Monday, June 21, 2004 at 10:22 AM

You could always throw some naked pictures of ladies up on the site....that usually spruces things up for a bit.
Then you could have a link to gay porn for myse......the ladies I mean.
Maybe some bestiality porn as well so that we can make screensavers for our bosses.
Just a thought.
And I think Okefor will go 1, because he's boring, just like the NBA, the two go together well.
I used to like the NBA, but then they stopped playing defense and started making crappy slap on the wrist foul calls. Sorry, but if the ball has already left your hands, you're free game for abuse in my opinion.
"Oh no...Jason Kidd ran into me and pushed me on my tushie and I got a booboo....wah! I had an anterior rupture of the alterior ligaments blah blah blah, I'll be out 6-8 weeks."
Pussies. What's up with Szerbiak, can't spell his name, missing the whole season for a strained platia imapussy?
I'm through with the NBA, it can suck my nuts.

Green Baron on Monday, June 21, 2004 at 10:23 AM

Next thing you know they'll have Streisand singing the anthem....

Jay on Monday, June 21, 2004 at 10:37 AM

Yes, the song is done. I am just having trouble rendering it on my computer so that when you play it, it doesn't just sound like noise. Well, it sounds like noise anyway, but you know what I mean. I have an interview in an hour and a have. Hmm...I'm starting to sound like elliekay. In her last post, she mentioned geese. Did she mean canadian geese? (honk, eh.) I don't know. Well, the title of this post is "got a bad case of the crazy," which suits me right now.

Phil on Monday, June 21, 2004 at 11:14 AM

You know, someone might e-mail me today, tomorrow or the next day about a jobby-job, and I can't check my e-mail. Talk about a kick in the ass.

KellyHarrison on Monday, June 21, 2004 at 11:15 AM

hey guys, sorry about the last post. didn't realize what i was putting in. i apologize!

Phil on Monday, June 21, 2004 at 11:51 AM

I've got gmail invites if anyone wants one. Gmail is google's e-mail thing with 1000mb of storage (it's kinda like hotmail, but without the ghey). Just e-mail me at phil.scott (at) and I'll hook you up.

The advantage of signing up for gmail right now is that you can get a name like phil.scott instead of

I've got 6 invites, so act now.

Green Baron on Monday, June 21, 2004 at 11:58 AM

I was checking out the g-mail info site, and it said this:
"And Gmail accounts can already be used to read and send email in most languages (even Klingon)."
I really want to check that out. I really need to polish up my Klingon.

Green Baron on Monday, June 21, 2004 at 12:02 PM

ha ha ha, I just re-read my post....
"polish up my Klingon"
maybe that can be a new Star Trek nerd phrase for masturbation.

Phil on Monday, June 21, 2004 at 12:12 PM

we are down to 4 gmail invites...

Brock on Monday, June 21, 2004 at 12:22 PM

Good impression to start off with: "The server is currently unavailable. Cross your fingers and try again in a few minutes"

I hope this works, because the annoying "Critical storage space" on hotmail really drives me nuts.

Green Baron on Monday, June 21, 2004 at 12:26 PM

You know Phil, I really thank you for the G-mail rule..
I just can't understand why you wouldn't sell it on e-bay, they're going for like $8
That's 8 items on Wendy's 99 cent menu

Green Baron on Monday, June 21, 2004 at 12:30 PM

Thanks again Phil....
Now I'm off to polish up my klingon

Brock on Monday, June 21, 2004 at 12:38 PM

Green Baron,

If you don't stop grovelling, we'll have to change your name to Phil's_Ballz_n_my_mouth.

Thanks Phil, may I please kiss your feet.

Green Baron on Monday, June 21, 2004 at 12:42 PM

How's that?

Brock on Monday, June 21, 2004 at 12:46 PM

Kelly, stop changing your screenname... we know you like Phil, but Marc may get jealous.

Besides.. Ballz_n_ur_mouth may get jealous...

Phil on Monday, June 21, 2004 at 1:02 PM

No problemo. If I can't think of anything interesting to post, I might as well give out free shit.

adrian on Monday, June 21, 2004 at 1:03 PM

Philco, we need a great team name tonight. I don't think we could use Big Jays quote about the movie Parent Trap because even for nattysci, it would be to disturbing.

Plow King on Monday, June 21, 2004 at 1:12 PM

Forget about the 100MB of space. I like the sassy status messages (e.g. "No conversations in the trash. Who needs to delete when you have 1000 MB of storage?!").

Now if they could just make it talk dirty to me....

Phil on Monday, June 21, 2004 at 1:13 PM

I'm a fan of the "Hooray, no spam here!"

Tom Jones on Monday, June 21, 2004 at 1:24 PM

Dude Old Spice High Endurance Pure Sport is da bomb, almost like Affleck was in Phantoms

Plow King on Monday, June 21, 2004 at 1:32 PM

Random item of the day: Milk is racist and a murderer. Who knew?

"...on the Fourth of July in 1850, President Zachary Taylor dedicated the Washington Monument and spent the day eating cherries and milk. He fell sick. Five days later, he died. For 150 years, milk's gotten away with murder. Isn't that long enough?"

Green Baron on Monday, June 21, 2004 at 1:33 PM

Tom Jones loves the cock....

Marc on Monday, June 21, 2004 at 7:52 PM

I'd like to thank all the other people that made it to Trivia. So thanks Adiran. It was just the two of us. So it was sort of like just going to lunch but with drinks and a game. So besides the game it's nothing Adrian doesn't do during the day at work. In my mind we did good for being the smallest team. and we definitely had the best name. "The Clitoris: Nature's Rubix Caube" A Family Guy reference I finally got to use.

Marc on Monday, June 21, 2004 at 8:09 PM


NOTE: If you want to share these videos with your close friends please feel free to do so. even download them to your computer if you wish. just please don't post to larger well-established sites that might cause too much traffic (ie: fark, ebaumsworld, milkandcookies) because I don't want to take the chance of anything bad happening. Also there can be possible copyright issues even though these are broadcasted free on the airwaves. thanks

(1) A new machine to help fight terrorism. A bomb sniffer that sniffs you at the airport for explosives. What will happen if you fart?

(2) Terry Bradshaw on Leno is always funny. He reads letters written by women who want to date him. And they even have a best of reel of Bradshaw Tonight Show appearances.

(3) Oddball News: The bunnies like to do it, and now trailer park is over run with fucking rabbits...literally; two runaway planes; double-decker bus goes under short bridge, and more.

(4) Oddball News: Victoria Secret suffers a panty raid; porno for pandas; home floats in KY, not a houseboat; good news coming out of Iraq "Viagra sales are soaring;" and more

(5) Tribute to Car chases due to anniversary of O.J. Bronco chase.


KellyHarrison on Monday, June 21, 2004 at 9:50 PM

i haven't changed my screen name since the one time that my password got stollen. that's the only reason i changed it.

KellyHarrison on Monday, June 21, 2004 at 10:07 PM

marc/jay, remember ashely eicher? she won miss tennesse.

Phil on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 4:48 AM

Two invites left. Sorry to hear about Trivia last night, Marc. But, you finally got to use your team name, and it's not like we would have won if I was there anyways.

So, the blame falls fully on Ryan Church. He can eat a bag of AIDs.

Dween on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 5:28 AM

Hey Phil, hook me up with the G-mail.

I just got back from vacation... sorry to hear you're in Cincy.

A few off the wall things:

My most recent animation got a grade of A++, "Girl All The Bad Guys Want". Check it out at

New catchphrase of the month: "It's Army Style!"

Wardell was on the Francine radio show. (She is the late morning talk show host on WHAS 840 AM) He was talking up bringing Mike Tyson to Louisville, saying things like, "We're the 16th largest city in the US, we need to grow", "I'm part of a group for the growth and the advancement of the city", and "We wear shoes in Kentucky now" (wtf?). When Francine argued that "Yes, it would be ok to bring in a sports event, boxing would even be great, but NOT Mike Tyson, a convicted rapist," Wardell comes back with, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." I think he accused Francine of being a rapist.

I'm wondering why Wardell spent 15 minutes on the radio (and most likely another 45 minutes on hold) when he could've been cold-calling a Cox's Smokers Outlet to see if they need computer training.

How's things for you?

Joanna on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 5:34 AM

Phil- if you have any left, I'd like a gmail acct.

Phil on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 6:01 AM

James, did you ever see the video for "the girl all the bad guys want?" because there are ... similarities.

Plow King on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 6:02 AM

Awesome video, Dween.

People who bitch about Mike being a rapist piss me off. The guy went to jail. He's paid his dues. If you don't think that was a good enough punishment, then start an organization to get a longer mandatory sentence for rape. Otherwise, stop bitching, tell your kids he's not a role model, and let the man live his fucking life.

Phil on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 6:08 AM

about mike tyson:

this is probably too far back to find video from, huh marcus?

Phil on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 6:08 AM

and we are out of gmail accounts.

I'll probably get more invites in the future, and those who I sent invites will probably get some too.

Dween on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 6:12 AM

I have never seen the video for "Girl All The Bad Guys Want", but one of the comments I got on the Worth 1000 site was that it was "same yet different", with the TV's and everything. Freaky.

Phil on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 6:15 AM

and just for Marc and Adrian: the Buffalo Wing turns 40:

Plow King on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 6:19 AM

You know, Google's invite based sign-up system for their email is really ingenious. After having announced that users would get 1GB of free storage, they knew that they were going to get bombarded with sign-up requests. How do you control the sign-ups so that your email system doesn't get DoS'ed? You use a cascaded sign-up system that prevents everyone in the world from registering at once. It's computer science applied to interpersonal relationships. Ingenious.

I bet Kevin Bacon was the first person to get an account.

Phil on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 6:25 AM

I think it was more related to marketting, and keeping the unwanted elements out more than CS.

Although, I'd be interested to see a graph of the invites being given out as they trickled out. Although, you figure they started with probably over 10,000 bloggers, so that's be a big graph. Maybe start with the blogger who gave out the most invites and see how they got distributed from there.

Plow King on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 6:40 AM

How do you keep the unwanted elements out when you have virtually no control over who gets invited? It's clearly to control user registration rate. Think about it, every /. reader and their mother wants a Gmail account. It's the Linux of webmail systems. They knew what would happen if it was just open season.

I do agree that the marketing department probably loved the mystique involved, though.

adrian on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 7:12 AM

Damn, a BLT from Wicks sounds so frickn' good right now

Marc on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 7:42 AM

Sure to make Jay happy, they are looking into making a Metroid movie based on the Nintendo game. Will it live up to the other great works of cinema in this genre. For example: TombRaider, Street Fighter, Double Dragon, Resident Evil, and don't forget Super Mario Brothers.

Marc on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 7:43 AM

here a link with some info jay

Brock on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 7:44 AM

Didn't Jay post a question a while back about what movies were made from video games? I think he had them all. The twist comes when you don't know if the game came before or after the movie.

Phil on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 7:44 AM

Marcus and other people with Yahoo e-mail that I sent invites to: Check your spam folder. Yahoo has started dumping GMail invites there.

Green Baron on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 7:49 AM

Mike Tyson went to jail? You mean he went to a country club for 3 years.
He got unlimited visitation when everyone else got only 10 potential visitors, each who could only visit 3 times a month, he got unlimited phone usage, when everyone else got only 1 hour a night, and he walked around the place like he owned it.
How do I know this you ask....
Because my stepdad was in his dorm for his first 2 years at Plainfield.
Tyson didn't pay his dues.....

Green Baron on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 7:51 AM

Are the KC Royals still in the major leagues?

Phil on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 7:52 AM

I can't find any mention of a video game post. So, movies based off video games?

Double Dragon
Street Fighter
Double Dragon
Resident Evil
Super Mario Brothers
Mortal Kombat
Pokemon (that is a video game, right?)
Final Fantasy
Wing Commander
Silent Hill

I'm sure there are more. Isn't there a PacMan movie in the works?

Phil on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 7:57 AM

It seems PacMan played himself in a black and white Portuguese documentary:

Phil on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 8:02 AM

this is comedy gold. on Totalfark, someone posted "TFer just took a clean (no wipe necessary) dump. What are some other 2nd best feelings next to sex?"

He then later followed that up with a "I was so happy, i used it (the TP) to blow my nose."

Plow King on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 8:29 AM

Wow, getting unlimited visitors and phone usage almost makes prison bearable. Please....

Phil on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 10:42 AM

oooh, another good Page2 article today: "Rounders" in real life:

Marc on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 2:35 PM

Jeri Ryan talks about ex-husband, Republican Senate candidate, wanting to take her to sex clubs several times in a day and wanting to have sex with her in fornt of other people.

Marc on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 3:07 PM

Proof for fear of gmail

Jay on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 4:05 PM

I guess he stopped all those terrorits in between nailing Jeri Ryan. Awsome!

Jay on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 8:23 PM

I just got back from O'Charlie's. Where I was the only member of natty sci there. You guys suck. (Shut up, Marc, I was working yesterday during trvia.)

Green Baron on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 8:45 PM

Actually, relaxing the rules within the prison makes it entirely bearable. In fact, prison wasn't that bad. However, the deprevity of the outside world was the most difficult task, which Mike Tyson didn't need to worry about.
Prison is just a house of detention. You still get up and go to work, you have your own room and bed, and if you don't mind being watched all the time, you just live out your life reading books and working out.
The difficult part is losing touch with the outside world, which is what Mike Tyson didn't need to worry about. What was unfortunate was the all the other prisoners had to follow the strict rules of outside contact, yet Tyson didn't? Whereas my mom could only visit her husband 3 times a month, and could only talk to him twice a week on the phone for 1 hour, Tyson could have anybody and everybody come and talk to him, or he could talk all the time on the phone.
Prison isn't that bad......jail is bad. My stepdad didn't want to go for a modification because it meant being moved to Marion County Jail....or hell as they call it. Plainfield wasn't terrible, but preferential treatment isn't really prison, is it? And Tyson never served jail time if he didn't need to follow the rules like the other inmates.
By the way, I've been inside a prison, and it isn't like "Lockdown" or other movies. It's a enclosed facility where your movement is tracked and you can essentially do as you please.....quite bearable, not fun, but bearable.

Brock on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 9:23 PM

Is this the beginning of the end of Natty Sci? No representation at Trivia, no one at O'Chuck's? The reason would be everyone has their own life, but this is Natty Sci, and that's not likely.

Get off your lazy asses and socialize... Jay can't do this all alone!

Phil on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 4:55 AM

I still have no life, but I am unfortunately out of town.

Phil on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 4:57 AM

I just got 5 more Gmail invites, I guess for being such a good invite person. E-mail me at phil.scott (at) for da hook-up.

adrian on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 5:13 AM

Sorry Jay, I had work to do last night

Plow King on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 6:06 AM

Well, the relative discomfort of prison is beyond Mike's control. He showed up, and took what was given to him. The severity of it is society's fault. My point is, if people have a problem with the punishments handed out, then they should do something constructive to get it changed (naive, I know), instead of taking it out on the offenders who have no control over their treatment.

But I think we've scared Kellie away from making announcements about her Pampered Chef party, and lulled everyone else to sleep.

Phil on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 6:32 AM

Uh oh, you best not being knocking pampered chef or Mindy will kill you with the Nylon Slice ’N Serve® (Conveniently slice and serve with this nylon tool. The serrated edges easily slice foods without scratching nonstick surfaces — the perfect companion to the Tart/Quiche Pan. And for MURDER).

Phil on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 6:45 AM

James and Joanna, I've sent you invites for the Gmail stuff, so let me know if you never received them or if you just haven't bothered signing up yet.

Phil on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 6:46 AM

And James, if you read this, see if Michael or Jason want an invite too. Have them e-mail me at the gmail address, not work, because I'm having a bitch of a time checking my e-mail from here.

Tom Jones on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 6:47 AM

I have a couple invites for GMail-who wanted one?

Phil on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 6:58 AM

I'm pretty sure anyone who wanted one has asked me already. I'm sitting here with five of them.

Green Baron on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 7:11 AM

Well, I definitely think our criminal justice system is in severe need of an overhaul, and this coming from someone whose sister and mother are lawyers and whose step-dad spent 6 years in prison.
I'm just saying Tyson didn't get what should have been comin' to him. I mean, some ass pounding would have been nice, but you better wear a rubber, he gets around....
Hell....Lumberg fucked him.

Bigworm on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 7:16 AM

Phil - I emailed in need of an account. Sorry fellas just been busy lately and I am trying to make it to trivia this Monday and O'chucks on Tuesday.

Viva la Natty Sci!

Hardhat sucks the dong.

Wrecking Crew on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 7:17 AM



Wrecking Crew on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 7:18 AM

How 'bout a return to old school Sci drinking too? Let's see how many fifths we can kill in 20 minutes.

Wrecking Crew on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 7:22 AM

I'm can't type. joing = joining

I apologize about dropping off the face of the earth too, but got a test coming up and too much other shit to deal get straightend out. Speaking of which, I really will be dropping off the face of the earth beginning Monday as I part our booming metropolis for the likes of Birmingham, AL to join their ortho dept.



Brock on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 7:46 AM

Burket, you whore, you chose dirty Alabama over dirty Cincinnati. For shame....

How long will you be in the land of the Blazers?

Spread the word: JAY IS THE WAY!

Phil on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 8:33 AM

Invite on the way to wes. Four more left...

There might be a good chance I'll be knocking a few back on Friday, I don't know, I don't know if we'll have enough time.

Jay on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 8:36 AM

Chris-good to see you alive. I have spent more time with joe than with you recently.
Wes-believe it or not, I realize that you are married, and Abby takes priority
Adrian-you are just a bitch who loves the cock
Marc-Uhh has anyone talked to marc today? He usually posts some s***, especially if I call him out. Come to think of it, I haven't seen kellie on here either. You don't think they commited suicide to preserve their love forever, do you?

Phil on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 8:47 AM

My guess is a murder-suicide.

joe on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 9:20 AM

i'll drink on friday i got nothing to do

KellyHarrison on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 9:28 AM

still got the jager to get rid of...

Phil on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 9:31 AM

Hmmmm, well make my guess simply a murder.

KellyHarrison on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 9:54 AM

no, no, it'd be suicide! i just got up from sleeping. going down to bake in the sun.

Marc on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 9:58 AM

i did not post that. just so you know

Phil on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 10:12 AM

Marc, if you are curious Kellie posted it.

So, we have established that Kellie loves the cock (in her pooper), and is asking Adrian out to lunch.

Joanna on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 10:16 AM

Phil- I can't sign up from work, so I forwarded it to my home account, which I also cannot access from work. I'll try to get it taken care of tonight. I'll drive this weekend, surprise surprise. Whose car do I get to drive?

Phil on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 10:43 AM

Excellent. I was just making sure you received the thing. Hotmail has been marking them as spam, so I didn't know if other sites were doing that as well.

Green Baron on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 10:58 AM

Yahoo marked your e-mail as spam Phil.....but then I put you down on my list of "people I'd tea-bag", and you now go to that mailbox....

Bigworm on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 11:17 AM

Count me in Burket!

Sounds like a roadtrip to Birmingham.

Jay - yes Abby and Daisy take priority, however, I have just been busy with work lately. This friday work takes a backseat, and if anyone wants to drink somewhat early..count me in.

Phil on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 11:28 AM

I think wes might have been the first person to ever utter the words "roadtrip to Birmingham"

how long are you going to be in Birmingham?

Phil on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 11:32 AM

god damn it, am I going to have to start busting some asses on people signing up with new names?

Joanna on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 11:45 AM

He'll be there a month.

Marc on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 12:12 PM

i don't know what the hell is happening with these posts, but they are scaring me.

KellyHarrison on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 12:19 PM

they're scaring me too. good lord! gross bastards! marc, don't forget the jager this weekend. hopefully it's still in your car.

is Gmail better than insight or any of the others?

Plow King on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 12:30 PM

Gmail's webmail kicks ass, but their Internet connectivity services leave a lot to be desired.

Plow King on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 12:32 PM

BTW: Why is it the middle of 2004, and Insight is STILL not offering webmail?!?

KellyHarrison on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 12:40 PM

i'm also looking for a free instant messenger. my computer won't let me create another screen name on aim because it says that cookies are disabled. i have msn, but it says a firewall is preventing me to sign on. where the hell else can i go to get an intant messenger?

Tom Jones on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 12:41 PM

I don't think I have seen this many uses of the word Teabag outside of Church's site

Jay on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 12:43 PM

Kelly has finally lost her...oh wait...nevermind. Phil, if anyone you don't know creates a new account, Delete IT! Members of the take precedence over every one else. If you are not sure about your status, then you are not a member, and can suck it.

Green Baron on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 1:02 PM

I'd just like to put my recommendation for the new Wilco album, A Ghost is Born, it's a good listen, especially after ripping and removing track 11 (15 minutes of noise).
Supposedly there's a reason for it, although I can't really figure it out aside from an annoyance to an, otherwise, awesome album.
And no Kelly, I don't want a tea-bag, I'm married and not into dudes.

Phil on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 1:03 PM

god damn it. just to clear things up, i know that it's mr Ballz_n_my_mouth that's posting this.

So Brock, one chop block for Isaac please, courtesy of Natty Sci.

Phil on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 1:04 PM

You know, "No thanks Church, I'm married and not into dudes" would be a good team name.

As for the Wilco album, I would second it.

Green Baron on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 1:08 PM

It's ballz_in_UR_mouth and Philz_ballz_n_MY_mouth
Come on! Give credit where credit is due!
Anyway, you're welcome for sprucing up the forum a little bit, nothing like a little gutter talk for the afternoon. Still missing the naked ladies' pics though....

Green Baron on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 1:09 PM

And by the way, it's usually, "No thanks Brock, I'm married and not into dudes"

Brock on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 1:20 PM

Considering we have softball practice today, I can always tee-off on his head, and with this last comment, I'll hit his knees too.

Great! Now Ian Patrick is going to take over the softball commissioner position and ban our team from play. Thanks Phil. Oh, and Isaac wants to make out with Danielle. Might as well go all the way.

FUCK YOU IAN PATRICK and your intramural ego trip.

This reminds me... the next time we have an alumni event for Bellarmine, I'm going to wipe my ass with a $10 bill and see if he'll take the donation.

adrian on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 1:34 PM

Phil, just disable the new member sign up. Also, revoke all the ass chodes in here who are not nattysci.

And I'm Outty

Brock on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 1:49 PM

When did the Gestapo Nazism set in? Disable new member signup and revoke status? Sounds pretty lame to me. Not that I condone lame ass comments, but the ability to post them, and their occasional humor make it worth leaving the door open.

What's the fun of harassing someone if they can't respond. Revert to what we do best... insults!

You fat piece of shit, shut your fat-ass mouth, and bring that fat thunder!

Green Baron on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 1:55 PM

I've never heard a chick use the phrase "ass chode"
Plus, I have no friends....where will I go when I am revoked?

Brock on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 1:58 PM

Sorry Adrian,

I had to clarify the you are, in fact, a dude. As a response, the Green Baron stated, "I'm married, and not into dudes."

Church on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 5:29 PM

Chris, best of luck in Birmingham, maybe you can wow them with the 21st century technology Alabama lacks.
Brock you suck, how much jail time are they going give Bob" I'm the DD"Huggins

KellyHarrison on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 5:30 PM

and i thought i had a sick mind..

Brock on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 8:25 PM

Church, you're gay, and he got off with a slap on the wrist of course. However, the university is laying the hate down on him, with the exception of still paying him $1 million a year to do nothing now.

I have a sense that Huggins may turn into a Bobby Knight story. Ironically, St. John's is in need of a new coach, and like Texas fits Knight's ass-kickin' style, New York fits Huggs thug style. As long as UC doesn't go get a dipshit like Mike Davis to replace him, there's still hope in the Big East.

Phil on Thursday, June 24, 2004 at 4:55 AM

All I know is I want to be there when Southern Miss plays Cincinnatti. Talk about your crazy ass after game party.

And remember kids:
A few beers with Chicks -> Fired
Getting hammered, throwing up and Driving -> Timeout

Phil on Thursday, June 24, 2004 at 6:11 AM

South Carolina's baseball team isn't drinking Gatorade, they are drinking Cockade

Wrecking Crew on Thursday, June 24, 2004 at 9:19 AM

Yup, 4 wonderful weeks deep in the heart of Dixie. I can't fucking wait to get it over with. No, this is going to be a positive experience for me, not 4 weeks of kissing ass in hopes of getting a letter of recommendation. Hopefully, I'll find a place to stay before monday as not to be living out of my car.

Anyway, let's drink early and often Friday. I should be ready sometime around noon, or when anyone is going to join me.

Brock on Thursday, June 24, 2004 at 9:25 AM

Save some cash, live out of your car, sleep in the hospital, and shower in the restrooms.

Admit it Burket, you'll be drinking at noon regardless if anyone is with you.

I will be coming into town this weekend for a family reunion at Otter Creek Park. Possibly another camping opportunity that doesn't involve trekking to the far reaches of Western KY. I will not likely make it for Friday's festivities, but we'll see.

Jay on Thursday, June 24, 2004 at 9:46 AM

Kelly-not in a million years
Phil, I have a genius idea for the site. So that we don't become nazi's, why don't we have a page that's only for the sci members. To access it, we don't use user names and passwords, we have to answer a question, generated randomly, that only members would know. Questions like "Who was 'the guys want me to tell you that you have a nice rack, but I'm not gonna do it' said to?" The beautiful part is if you don't know the answer, reload the page until you know one.

mowgli on Thursday, June 24, 2004 at 9:51 AM

I like that idea.

Dween on Thursday, June 24, 2004 at 9:57 AM

I got the G-mail invite. I forget which e-mail address you sent it to. Probably the one at work. I'll get to it.

Phil on Thursday, June 24, 2004 at 10:13 AM

the problem with the seperate section of natty sci is that the old sci folder was open to anyone. BUT, when people pulled gay shit they got a beat down. I think the problem is that brock hasn't taught mr. ballz here how to respect the sci.

I am now not asking, but demanding a chop block.

But I think I might adjust it so I can color code the posts some how. Like a lighter blue background for the sci members, and pink for those guilty by dating. That way you could quickly scan posts.

Or something.

Plow King on Thursday, June 24, 2004 at 10:43 AM

Why don't you just rip off Gmail's idea? Except only let certain members invite people.

Phil on Thursday, June 24, 2004 at 11:24 AM

Church on Thursday, June 24, 2004 at 11:44 AM

In the same vein as what Phil said, just wait for this year's C-USA tourney. I think the seeds will be decided by who wins a drinking contest between Bob"Give me the Keys " Huggins, Larry "I never met a kegger I didn't like" Eustachey, and Kevin "One more for the road" Willard

Green Baron on Thursday, June 24, 2004 at 1:08 PM

I got an idea...
Why don't you only allow the *expletive* (blacks) the *expletive* (asians) and the jews....

Green Baron on Thursday, June 24, 2004 at 1:17 PM

You know, it was quite scary.....I was introduced to that movie by a 350 lb black man, with whom I watched the movie with him alone on his couch....
I thought he was making me watch it prior to killing me. Turns out it was one of his favorite movies.
Kind of like a jew and a German sitting down for Schindler's list.....

Brock on Thursday, June 24, 2004 at 1:44 PM

Ok, the Green Baron will be put on probation. The Gmail thing probably wouldn't have worked b/c I was making an attempt at forming the Natty Sci Cincy Chapter, which turned out to be more of a bizzaro Natty Sci.

However, he probably would have found the site from his frequent beastiality searches and not being able to spell Ralph Macchio either.

KellyHarrison on Thursday, June 24, 2004 at 5:45 PM

how can i get a gmail account? i think you said that you didn't have anymore.

KellyHarrison on Thursday, June 24, 2004 at 11:09 PM

i think my sister somewhat resembles an older version of harminey from harry potter. that's just me anyway.

Phil on Friday, June 25, 2004 at 4:53 AM

Kellie, I have a gmail account for you on one condition: You tell me what it is.

adrian on Friday, June 25, 2004 at 6:04 AM

Whats the game plan tonight gents.

Brock on Friday, June 25, 2004 at 7:10 AM

Phil, any comment on implementing any of those updates I suggested? I already see a use (i.e. Adrian's plead for a game plan). Even though he's probably already drunk, he wants to know when Burket will be drinking... NOON.

Phil on Friday, June 25, 2004 at 7:24 AM

too much work. so no, there probably won't be a social calender anytime soon.

Besides, that would be pretty gay because eventually this phrase would uttered "what do you mean you didn't know we were drinking? it WAS on the internet?"

Marc on Friday, June 25, 2004 at 7:55 AM

phil love the condition on the gmail acoount. It's like asking for William Shatner's autograph when you cannot name at least 3 movies he was in.

also, good watch out on that phrase coming about. or any similar ones. "...but i posted it on my blog." (gesture pushing imaginary glasses back onto your nose.)

KellyHarrison on Friday, June 25, 2004 at 8:49 AM

ha, ha, marc/phil. funny.

Phil on Friday, June 25, 2004 at 8:59 AM

I was being serious. I only have one invite left, so I didn't want to send it if you were just grabbing one because everyone else was.

KellyHarrison on Friday, June 25, 2004 at 9:03 AM

no, i really want one. the e-mail i ahve sucks and the other ones i end up trying to use get stuck behind some stupid firewall or something. i'd appreciate one though. i have an aim instant messenger, but who knows how long that'll stay up on this dumb computer. it's kellieharrison78.

Phil on Friday, June 25, 2004 at 9:06 AM

you do understand this is just e-mail, and has nothing to do with instant messanger...right?
if so, e-mail me so I can send you an invite.

KellyHarrison on Friday, June 25, 2004 at 9:09 AM

yes, i understand. just frusterated with my computer is all. k, hold on.

Phil on Friday, June 25, 2004 at 9:17 AM

The Sports Guy's running diary on the NBA draft. Even if you don't follow sports all that much, it's still a good read

Phil on Friday, June 25, 2004 at 10:20 AM

if you having trouble with your computer, a web based e-mail program won't help anything. You might want to take it to best buy or compusa and have them look at it.

Phil on Friday, June 25, 2004 at 10:25 AM

Invite is on the way Kellie. We are down to one more invite, did anyone ask for one and not receive it?

Phil on Friday, June 25, 2004 at 10:29 AM

Ok, so far Joanna, Wes and James you should have received one. Wes, you have yahoo and marc says that it got put into his "spam" folder, so check for it there. It should be titled "Wes, phil scott has invited you to..."

As for James and Joanna, I'm not sure if these things expire, so you might want to sign up sooner than later.

Of course, I'll probably get six more next monday if not sooner, not to mention everyone else that now has an account should see invites if they are semi-active with their account.

Bigworm on Friday, June 25, 2004 at 11:29 AM

Okay, I will check it there....I deleted some spam stuff so if it isn't there can I get another invite?

mowgli on Friday, June 25, 2004 at 11:45 AM

Dude, If your going to give kelly one, hook me up too.

KellyHarrison on Friday, June 25, 2004 at 11:52 AM

joanna's coming out tonight, does that mean chris and joe are too? long time no see you guys! when we see you anyway i mean.

what the hell kind of a song is shake your eagle on the floor?

yellow nails and martini glasses on them, fun!

damn this weather!

Brock on Friday, June 25, 2004 at 11:57 AM

What kind of mental disease is it when you just skip randomly around in your thoughts and speach?

KellyHarrison on Friday, June 25, 2004 at 12:11 PM

craziness for me!

Wrecking Crew on Friday, June 25, 2004 at 1:01 PM

I hate HIPPA. If people don't want others to know if something is wrong with them, don't go to the doctor. Sooner or later someone is going to figure it out. Fucking government butting in to the health care field making everything difficult.

Anyway, game plan for the evening.

1)Purchase alcohol.
2)Come to my house.
3)Drink alcohol.

The rest are just details that can be figured out later. If this HIPPA shit would load faster, we could start earlier.

joe on Friday, June 25, 2004 at 2:37 PM

fuck hippa lets go drink

Wrecking Crew on Friday, June 25, 2004 at 2:38 PM

Let's go bitch

joe on Friday, June 25, 2004 at 2:39 PM

i'm out like a fat kid in dodgeball

Wrecking Crew on Friday, June 25, 2004 at 2:39 PM

If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball.

KellyHarrison on Friday, June 25, 2004 at 3:07 PM


don't forget my makeup stuff!

Phil on Friday, June 25, 2004 at 4:53 PM

Marc on Friday, June 25, 2004 at 4:57 PM


NOTE: If you want to share these videos with your close friends please feel free to do so. even download them to your computer if you wish. just please don't post to larger well-established sites that might cause too much traffic (ie: fark, ebaumsworld, milkandcookies) because I don't want to take the chance of anything bad happening. Also there can be possible copyright issues even though these are broadcasted free on the airwaves. thanks

(1) What happens when a donkey and a zebra mate and produce a baby? This wierd little bastard here is what happens.

(2) Defending herself against allegations that her breasts have been augmented, Lindsey Lohan says that those claims and anyone who believes them are "retarded." The retards have complaints about that. (Damn' that's evil. Please don't smite me down God.)

(3) Triumph the Insult Comic Dog goes to Canada and insults the French Canadians.


KellyHarrison on Saturday, June 26, 2004 at 1:21 AM

big tan yabbos, oh my god! and inside wicks!

Phil on Saturday, June 26, 2004 at 7:06 AM

Control your woman marc.

Phil on Saturday, June 26, 2004 at 3:51 PM

Big Jay, any luck on your song?

stew on Saturday, June 26, 2004 at 5:16 PM

I don't know if anyone else is a hippie liberal douche like me, but I am planning on seeing Fahrenheit 9/11 sometime in the near future. If anyone else wants to go, please let me know...

Marc on Saturday, June 26, 2004 at 8:47 PM

stew, me and jay, (fellow hippie-liberal douches....who are gay lovers) are also planning on seeing it. so we should make plans to do so.

Bigworm on Sunday, June 27, 2004 at 12:54 PM

Even a Bush loving straight man like myself had planned on seeing until I learned that he omitted a ton of video footage that did not coincide with his view. However, that is the beauty of living in a free country with as many rights as we have, you can talk a lot of shit without having to proove it, which friday night is further proof of that.

Marc on Sunday, June 27, 2004 at 3:25 PM

i do not back or defend Michael Moore completely, he does love the limelight and his view of things. He admitted in a Daily Show interview that it is a partisan view. He gives you many of the facts leading up to, during and after 9/11. But he also says that he tells of his views and opinions based on them, and that he has no love for Bush.

Whether you like him or not, however, many right-wing groups organized a campaign to stop the movie at many different levels. Since it's release, now they are trying to make it so he can't advertise it past a certain time period as it may be considered an election tool. Moore has not endorsed Kerry nor is Kerry in the movie, I hear. He does say that he hopes people see the film and take what they will from it and vote in the next election. He endorsed Nader in 2000, and Wesley Clark earlier this year.

Dare to look at the Bush Official homepage ( and see a video they borrowed part of from a video submission contest, where they took soundbites from prominent Democrats and and other liberals which they intespliced with visuals and audio of Hitler. I believe this is wrong, as it is meant to equate these people to Hitler. Now if it wasn't on the official website of the President than I'd let it go. But wtf?

Wrecking Crew on Sunday, June 27, 2004 at 5:54 PM

I am going to get so fucking lost at this place. Their one hospital looks bigger than the 5 UL has put together. Oh well, I was just trying to figure out what time it is here. See yall in 4 weeks.

Bigworm on Sunday, June 27, 2004 at 8:28 PM

Chris - good luck buddy and try not to get lost too many times.

stew on Monday, June 28, 2004 at 12:07 AM

Phil on Monday, June 28, 2004 at 6:34 AM

have fun at captain's quarters stewie?

Green Baron on Monday, June 28, 2004 at 8:49 AM

First off, let me say I hate Bush and the sooner he's gone the better.
However, and I'm not defending him, just stating my point. The democrats were comparing HIM to Adolf Hitler. Granted, I agree with them completely, as it is scary the similarities (both voted into office in an election mired with consipiracies, both inflicting damage on ethnic religious groups, both preaching religion as the saving grace of their empire, etc etc); was the democrats comparing Bush to Hitler. Granted, his splicing of their video is doing the same, but he does have the right to reverse the tide in my opinion.
As for Michael Moore...I like the points he brings up, I don't like the attacks. Picking on an old fart with Alzheimer's is only fun when the camera isn't rolling. His attack on Charlton Heston was unfounded, that old stick in the mud has got extremely little to do with the idiots granted gun ownership in this country. Being a spokesman is like me going after William Shatner for getting screwed on Priceline.
And he continues to do this. Now, I agree with a lot of his points, but it was stuff I knew already. Everyone knows no Senator's son is going to serve in the military unless he demands it. That's just a given. Do I agree with it? Hell no, and I want it changed. But do I think harrassment is the best way? No. That is why I'm not in the capitol now preaching my philosophy and giving handjobs for crack.
Here's the deal on Moore. The exact same thing he preaches about, capatalistic society abandoning moral values where prominent businessman step on the little people, is the EXACT thing he represents. He makes money...LOTS OF MONEY. He has his own agenda for getting it. He writes several chapters in stupid white men how the corporations don't care for the common America, yet his book is published by one of the largest publishing firms in the world. Hypocrisy? You betcha.
He stated in an interview during the making of 9/11 that Disney and Miramax had already told him they wouldn't release his movie. Yet he comes out when it's done to say, "Oh my god, they're censoring me!" He knew was a done deal already. He does it for promotional purposes, so he can suck the eager liberals money from their wallet just to have their own ideas brought forth on screen, by someone abusing them through the same manner they're bitching about!
I agree with Michael Moore's statements, but that was his goal in the first he can make money. A prophet in a capatalistic society is just that, a capatalist. Therefore, I don't like Michael Moore. He's a hypocrite to the nth degree, and him holding hands with Bush in the promotional poster of his movie completely signifies that.

Phil on Monday, June 28, 2004 at 9:49 AM

It wasn't the democrats. It was like two guys submitting a movie to MoveOn.

As for Michael Moore, he is well aware of the people coming after him. In fact, I think he really eggs them on because nothing helps him prove his point better than a big company trying to keep him down, or the conservatives trying to keep the movie being shown.

That being said, I'd much rather see dodgeball than his movie. His last book was pretty damn boring and a bit far fetched at points.

Marc on Monday, June 28, 2004 at 9:50 AM

actually phils-balls, you're not completely right. the video on, the official homepage of the president's re-election campaign, i have now found out was from a user submission from a produce your own video ofr Kerry. The video was done by a regular joe-schmoe who put his own idea with it, comparinf bush to hitler. It was one entry and was not slected to make it any further in the competiton. the bush team searched the archives of the submissions and chose this one. it was not backed by and party or prominent democrats, it was simply a user submission. bush's website words the disclaimer before the video as to sugesst that it WAS sponsored by and democrats. this is not so, that was one man's assertion. Many joe-schmoes on the other side of the isle have compared Kerry too. The controversy of the video is that they took a everyday man's view of comparing bush to hitler, and are trying to give the impression that this is how all democrats and liberals think. and as we know there are all types of liberals, conservative, republican,s democratics, and idependents.

adrian on Monday, June 28, 2004 at 10:29 AM

Michael Moore should not be discussed on Nattysci. And if you are comparing Bush to Hitler, you are a total fucking retard.

Bigworm on Monday, June 28, 2004 at 10:44 AM

This is why I didn't want to see his damn movie. If you just view the movie for what it is, i.e. a joke then you are fine. The people who think this is 100% factual you are the biggest retard on this side of the Mississippi. Bill O'Reily already shot the "facts" to his movie down (shredded those little bastards more like it) and for the record, is a lot more credible when it comes to politics than that fat fucktard.

Brock on Monday, June 28, 2004 at 11:01 AM

Be careful who you use as reference, Wes. Bill O'Reilly is a little too right-wing to be judging facts. Therefore, I prefer to get my conservative propoganda from Dennis Miller, a much more reliable source of facts!

Do I smell a Natty Sci Party in the making?
More likely a Natty Sci Left and a Natty Sci Right. Although, I think we could contrive a political agenda that focuses on cheaper gas, booze, and strippers. More money for science!

Green Baron on Monday, June 28, 2004 at 12:05 PM

Two conservatives using the term "retard".....coincidence? I don't think so....
I have heard several liberals compare Bush to Hitler, and honestly, I think they're right. The "interrogation center" at Guantanamo is no different than a concentration camp. It is holding "enemy combatants" without trial.
And yes, genius....I am comparing Bush to Hitler. Whether I find a connection to each other determines the "retard". I can compare anything I want to each's called examination. Maybe you should try to analyze facts before dismissing them and claiming someone is a "retard" for even wishing to examine that.
Bill O'Reilly.....
Don't even make me pull the thousands of web-pages disproving everything that dipshit has said. Try picking up Al Franken's book....don't buy it...just look. He provides FACTS that prove that blubbering vagina is full of shit. Don't read his opinions, because you'll just call him a "retard" and put down the book. But he references everything. I encourage you to pull those references and examine the truth from fiction. Then you can compare Bill O'Reilly do a piece of shit.
Bill O'Reilly - says shit
Piece of Shit - says nothing

Rumage on Monday, June 28, 2004 at 12:28 PM

Bill O'Reilly is a retard... unfortunately so is Michael Moore. If you want to listen to a bunch of bullshit propaganda, watch Bill's show or Michael's movie. Also, comparing George W. Bush to Hitler has to be one of the hysterical comments I have ever read. Take a look at a history book sometime. Every wartime president has done the exact same thing. Don't take this as if I am condoning it. It is still a stupid thing to do. If you want to "analyze the facts," don't let your opinions get in the way.

Green Baron on Monday, June 28, 2004 at 12:41 PM

Whether every other president or every other person has done it is irrelevant. Both Wes and Adrian claim the comparison can't be made. I fully disagree. You can compare anything and anybody, regardless if it's just like everybody else, the fact remains...they are comparable.
In addition, comparing Hitler and Bush is not just about war. Notice my first comparison....."an election mired by conspiracy". That has nothing to do with war. In addition, "both preaching religion as the saving grace of their empire". Those comparisons have nothing to do with war. These are comparisons you can make prior to 9/11. These aren't my opinions, they are facts.
Before you start debating what I've said......try reading it first.

Bigworm on Monday, June 28, 2004 at 12:56 PM

Phil's johnson in your ass - Of course you can make a comparison for any two things in the world, I just don't think you should compare Hitler or Stalin for that fact to any leader in a democratic country claiming they are equal. This is no longer a comparison of what 2 people were/are, rather than a 2nd grade level type argument which quite frankly is beneath me.

Bigworm on Monday, June 28, 2004 at 12:59 PM

For the record, not saying Bill O'Reilly isn't a piece of shit, frankly just a little more credible than Michael "the retard" Moore on politics.

Marc might be able to correct me here though I thought documentaries were factual, i.e. they are documenting history, instead they should call Far. 911 for what it is... a mocumentary. In fact, he has inspired me to do a mocumentary about Michael Moore, he wants his 15 minutes of fame so why not give it to him. Anyone with me?

Phil on Monday, June 28, 2004 at 1:03 PM

I think some people are already making a movie. If you go to, they are pretty fanatical about giving him shit, so I bet they have a link on there.

Bigworm on Monday, June 28, 2004 at 1:07 PM

Here is a link if anyone is interested in learning more about the man Michael Moore.

completely unbiased I assure you.

Green Baron on Monday, June 28, 2004 at 1:12 PM

I didn't say they were equal.....
uggghhhh....I said they could be compared.
In addition, this has gotten way off-base. This started out as me saying the democrats were comparing Bush to Hitler, and me agreeing, making my own comparisons. Do I think they're equal....never said that, and I don't think so. I think you're getting your definitions does not mean to make equal. Plus, Bush is missing the mustache.
Bill O'Reilly being more credible than anyone is a joke. He has his opinions...that's about it.
For Michael Moore, he claims to have factual evidence to everything he presents in 9/11. NOTICE THE "HE CLAIMS". I can't verify this...I haven't seen the movie or read any of the details aside from the Newsweek article which is like he said/she said shit with no facts on either side. But I would definitely examine Moore's sources before you claim them wrong. I would rather critically analyze the facts for myself before dismissing them. That would be too Republican.

Marc on Monday, June 28, 2004 at 1:14 PM

too late wes, there is already a movie coming out called Michael Moore Hates America (
Bill O'Reilly did critique Moore film's but he didn't even seen the whole thing. He walked out during the screening he was invited to with Moore. Therefore, if he would have stayed he would have known that two of the facts he "proved worng" weren't. O'Reilly said Moore said no senators had sons in the armed forces. There is one with a son, and Moore tells this in the film. Also O'Reilly said that Moore said the Bin Ladens were flying around across the country to get out of the country while Amercians were not able to. This is to say when the air ban was lifted they were made first to fly, actually just before all other Americans. Someone made a good point and said if it were not for our connection to oil ofver there and "what if" Lybia bombed us, would we have allowed Quadafi's family to fly first outta the country? O'Reilly relied on the previous two incorrect "facts" from other sources. So shouldn't he see the movie, and despute other hard facts. Also, Moore's documentary is just that, at times, he did get his crew to videotape and interview troops who did not know they were talking to Moore crew, and thus what they tell, show, and talk about is how they truly feel. Also note the movie is only 90 minutes long so not everything can be covered. Wes you said you watch O'reily, I do too often, But I also listen to Air America and find other newscast and sources to decide for myself. If you only get one slant, then you can never walk straight on your own. I suggest if anyone who wants to go see the movie at Baxter after Trivia tonight we do so, therefore we could all watch and actually talk about it. Someone should pick up Stewie though. Just a thought.

Green Baron on Monday, June 28, 2004 at 1:22 PM

funny wes....
you're website was pretty much summed up in my description of Michael Moore in my earlier post. You could have just directed people to my post and saved them time.

Rumage on Monday, June 28, 2004 at 1:38 PM

I did read your post, and had I been smart, I would have ignored everything missing a basis in reality. Wait, that would mean I wouldn't have posted anything at all.

Green Baron on Monday, June 28, 2004 at 1:55 PM

I saw the trailer for "Michael Moore hates America"
Looks like a fantastic movie, can't wait to check it out.

Marc on Monday, June 28, 2004 at 2:11 PM

Michael Moore: Love him or hate him, i don't care. What I do think is "retarded" (yes i used that word) is people attcking him for frivilous things. Attacking his weight, while maybe funny, doesn't not make his claims true or false. [Side note: Nader also just made fun of Moore's weight in an open letter after not being invited to the New York premiere of the movie. Moore had endorsed Nader in the past.]

Secondly, people attack him going after the wealthy while being wealthy himself. I thought republicans loved the idea of a "self-made-man" he built his empire himself. Similar to Russel Simmons (how others would support or fund him.) Both of their successes are due to the "ignorance of rich white men" as Simmons once said. He made his own fortune and did not inherit or steal it from companies. How can people protect the rich, and condemn Moore for being rich? He said he didn't need the refund and wishes he was taxed more. A recent economical study,shows the average American family will pay $3,418 towards Iraq. And that is just what the current plans contain. Couldn't that money be used towards healthcare, schools, veterans, or other areas. And "we" will not profit from the war (if you're thinking it's and "investment"), Halliburton and other companies over there who overcharge us 10 times what other companies could do over there will benefit. Dick Cheney is Halliburton, everyone know it. No one likes him. Bush is Cheney. As soon as you realize that the better.

Green Baron on Monday, June 28, 2004 at 2:17 PM

Did you just compare Michael Moore to Richard Simmons? Or his best friend........Richard Simmons...

Marc on Monday, June 28, 2004 at 2:42 PM

taken form a chatboard i agree with this guy(or girl)

[Republicans are gathering in mass to protest against "Fahrenheit 9/11". Why? According to republicans, their beef with the movie is that they believe Michael Moore lies in the film. Excuse me?

As a bystander, it's difficult for me to believe that it's lies in general that republicans have a problem with. After all, if it were lies that upset our right-wing friends, then surely republicans would be somewhat angered by that whole WMD thing in Iraq. If it were lies that made republicans blood boil, then surely some of the countless lies that Bush & Company have told the world would bother them just a little bit.

Alas, it's not lies that these republicans have a problem with, it's the exposure of the lies that Bush has told them that is the cause of their anguish and anger. Sometimes, the truth hurts.

This post has been edited by kaneblues on Jun 25 2004, 04:24 PM ]

Bigworm on Monday, June 28, 2004 at 3:35 PM

Well the WMD is not a lie, there was sarin found on some artillery shells. Sarin is a chemical weapon, thus classified as a WMD. Iraq doesn't have nukes, and that wasn't the claim of the Bush administration. The admin. said they had several key components and were close to developing this technology.

Bigworm on Monday, June 28, 2004 at 3:53 PM

Well here is the unfortunate thing about the rebuilding of Iraq. Only the countries who were willing to make the ultimate sacrifice of their people and turn their economy upside down to help fund the war are the only ones gonig to help rebuild/strengthen their economies through the "earning" of government contracts. I don't care if Cheney is Halliburton and Bush is Cheney, though the government cares because they would be lining their own pockets, as long as they get the job done.

Brock on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 6:28 AM


Green Baron on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 7:27 AM

Sarin was never mentioned in Bush's state of the Union address Wes.....
He said Anthrax, botulinum toxin, other stuff.....which was never found, nor will it ever be. Marc's post never mentioned nukes, you brought that one up.
Also, Marc's post said all lies, not just the Iraq one....
There are thousands....thousands of lies of this administration, and for you to not acknowledge that is well.....
For instance...Cheney has said he has no connections with Halliburton, that he sold all his stock upon election and is no longer a shareholder. This was found out as a total lie. He still has over 5 million invested in Halliburton...I forget the exact number, but I'd like to say 50 million, as well as a fancy compensation package delivered to him every year for his assistance to the corporation.
Weapons inspectors have concluded that Iraq was no where near developing nuclear technology...that no enrichment programs have been found, and that Iraq posed no threat to the United States.
Here's what I don't get. If Bush and company were SO CERTAIN that Iraq was an imminent threat and possessed WMD, then why didn't they let the inspectors find them? It's not like Iraq was going anywhere with the UN restrictions blanket, the travel blocks, the no fly zone, and the 150,000 troops lined up at the border. Iraq wasn't going anywhere or going to do anything, they posed no threat at the time. The inspectors were given free passage wherever they went and were cooperative to every extreme. So why didn't the US just let the inspectors finish their job. I'll tell you why; because they KNEW it was a complete lie, and when the UN discovered that there was no threat they would have no basis for war. Bush and company had gone too far to turn back. They knew no WMD existed, they knew Iraq posed no threat, but retribution was to be had, oil was for the taking, and this country was in a severe recession that needed a turnaround. Therefore, war was the option. So they booted out the inspectors and went to war prior to letting them finish so that they would have marginal support for their war against a ficticious threat.
Meanwhile, nearly 1000 coalition soldiers and 10,000+ Iraqis are now dead. And am I saving at the pump? No.

Raul Duke on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 7:30 AM

So you would be happier knowing Saddam Hussein was still in power?

Green Baron on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 7:34 AM

Also, there's no evidence as to where the Sarin gas came from. Likely it was from stockpiles the US sold to Iraq back in the 80's to fund them against Iran. Perhaps it was from the stockpiles the US sold to Al Queda in the 80's to fund their war against the Russians.
So I guess this whole WMD thing is like, "We know you have it, we sold it to you, now give it back you can't have it; and no, you don't get a refund without a receipt."
Unfortunately Iraq either sold all their supply out to independent terrorist organizations or destroyed it. Regardless, it wasn't there and the Bushies knew it.

Green Baron on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 7:44 AM

Don't put phrases in my mouth Raul Duke....
I never said that. What I was leading to in my posts was that I didn't think this was the right way to go about it. Sure, many people hated Saddam. Is it up to the US to remove him? No. I don't like Bush, but there is no way some greasy Canadian is going to launch an attack to remove him while I have a gun.
It isn't right for the US to go around messing with other governments, it just comes back to haunt us. We got lucky with the Japanese, 1 good one. But we screwed up with El Salvador, Cuba, Nicaragua, Honduras, Panama, Venezuela, Peru, Chile, Argentina, Afghanistan (both the Taliban and now the regional warlords (who are worse than the Taliban)), IRAQ (we watched brutal Saddam come to power, we knew he was brutal!), Somalia, Libya, etc. etc....
Sorry, our record isn't good. I didn't like Saddam, but there are dozens of dictators around the world I don't like, but it's not my job to do something about it because it isn't my country.
If the UN wants to do something about it, then we can do something about it. But it is up to the international community. We like to think we're a democracy, then put it to a world vote. But we didn't, we took unilateral action against Iraq.
And don't tell me coalition....
Colombia, El Salvador, Afghanistan, etc don't make a coalition. Britain was our only assistance, and more than 70% of their residents disagreed with it before and after. The UN was against it.
Saddam was bad, but I GUARANTEE YOU, Saudi Arabia is MUCH worse. But they're our buddies....we like you Saudi Arabia....

Raul Duke on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 7:50 AM

So what is the time limit for compliance the UN resolutions for which military action has already been sanctioned to ensure compliance?

Raul Duke on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 7:53 AM

That was some nice typing. I'll try that again (leftovers from Saturday).

So what is the time limit for compliance with UN resolutions for which military action has already been sanctioned due to continued violations?

I'm not putting words (or balls) in your mouth, just asking a question.

Marc on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 8:01 AM

Let's forget the big sinkhole that is Iraq, for a minute. Although being the first President to unilaterally declare war on a country and send many of our young men and women to fight and die for lies, andfor money and oil is bullshit)

Bush is the flip-flopper. Bush boasted and revered the firefighters and first-responders that knew they were on suicide missions running into the building to save as many people as possible. He has since cut both the firefighters and first-responders funding. Firehouse are closing everywhere. This might make the nearest responding firehouse further then you'd like when you need them.

Bush also wraps himself in the American flag and uniforms of our troops. Although he has failed to given them enough funding for armor and bullets and other equipment. The government said they will give him more money for this cause, but are going to be watching how he spends it since many people he's done a poor job at it. You can't ask these young men and women to die for us, and underfund their efforts.

Likewise, he likes previous Republican Presidents have severly cut funding for veterans. There are no Americans who deserve the title of "patriots" more than our veterans, yet they can not get adequate healthcare. This is apalling and disgusting.

Everyone knows that No Child Left Behind is a underfunded. Yet the President still uses it to talk about education. School sometimes have to fudge the numbers to get funding. If you don't get school the tools they need then you really are doing a dis-service to the upcoming American public. You'd soon have the 60-80 person classrooms.

Separation of church and state is taught to us at a young age. And we've also been taught about evolution. Bush does not believe in these ideas. He has continually let the "faith" mandate law. IE: RU486 (the morning after pill) is up for possibly becoming over-the-counter medication. 26 out of 26 doctors testing it say it would be safe for over the counter, and any other drug this well approved would have been instantly. However, the powers that be selfed the idea because of the religious right. High officials under Bush and many well-known smart people, incluing Nobel back Kerry because he doesn't disreguard science.

In his 2000 election race, Bush used a Texas-made law where you could sue your HMO if they failed to pay for your medical procedures even if the doctor siad they were medically necessary. Bush says he signed it into law, which is false, and leaves out that he tried everything he could to stop it. When it was assured that the majority wanted it and his veto as a Govenor could not kill it, he let if become all law without signing it. Afterthat, he used it as something great done under his watch as Govenor, and wouldn't let it be overturned by the federal government. Well two weeks ago, it just got apealed in Texas, and Bush knows it and has nothing to help put it back. Note: Aetna and Cigna Healthcare are contributors to his re-election as $1.7 million already.

I hear a lot "so, all politicians lie" and if you say that and let it go, then YOU are part of the problem. If you let them get away with them, then so will the next guy (or girl). If you hold your leaders to their word, or even their campaign promises then there would be higher standards and we would be better off. I understand it is a difficult job and I do respect the office of President, just not it's current resident.

Green Baron on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 8:06 AM

Well, frankly, I don't know of the continued violations of which you speak that Iraq committed. If it was weapons inspections, Iraq let in weapons inspectors in 1998, who were also granted free passage and inspecting everything when Clinton kicked them out because he wanted to send Cruise missiles into Iraq for violation of the no-fly zone.
If it is for the no-fly zone violation, I have my own qualms about that, and I am certain so did Saddam.
Finally, the time limit is set by a unanimous vote in an open forum of the UN which allows military action to be granted. That vote was taken, and it failed. The UN would have no part in military action against Iraq as they failed to see any threat.
And I'm sorry I responded to your "question" as I did, but it seemed more like an insinuation than a question. A question would be, "Would you be happier if Saddam was in power?" instead of "So you would be happier knowing Saddam Hussein was still in power?"
The second question has an implication inherent in it that I didn't like, because I hear it all the time. Same as, "So you like that, don't you bitch?"

Brock on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 8:22 AM

I did not realize people could be hypnotized so easily. Basically everything mentioned above is a word-for-word rehash of political ads, propaganda campaigns, and websites. Both sides of this argument are presenting the same cookie-cutter arguments and responses. Why are you arguing over the past? How about some action in the present.

Politics is lame because its all about what was wrong with the past, and why so-and-so should be hung for it. How about you provide some constructive criticims? What would you do to "fix" the problems? Destructive complaining is just annoying and demoralizes everybody. Give me some goals and ideas for the present, and then I'll stand with you. As long as you bitch and moan about the past, you aren't getting anything done now.

Shut up or put up!

Church on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 8:45 AM

I am not going to get into a rehash of my views on the Iraq situation, hwoever I wanted to make a correction. The charge that the US screwed up in Libya and Peru is erroneous. Number one, despite my disdain for Dubya, the American policy did bring about a peaceful dearmamant in Libya and led to mromalized relations, plus the reintro of Libya on the world stage. As for Peru, I cannot remember a damn time the US had troops in Peru. There was the corruption scandal of Fujimori, but that was domestic. So essentially, the charges of screwing up in Libya and Peru are baseless. If you are going to use examples, make damn sure they're right, because embellishment is just an expedient cover for no proof.

adrian on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 8:46 AM

Philco, put an end to this political bull shit.

adrian on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 8:50 AM

By the way, nice post church. Allthough you are still a Beatchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Church on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 8:52 AM

Thanks for the compliment, you queer bastard

adrian on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 8:58 AM

no problem, you liver pool cock gobbler

adrian on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 9:02 AM

Anyways, the sci represented somewhat descent at trivia last night. Becca looked hot as always, and the two olsen twin team names ruled. It was kind of funny that the two olsen twin references teid in points and that nattysci was one of the teams and churchs bitch ass was the other.

All we needed was the drunk canadian and we would have prevailed

Bigworm on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 9:12 AM

Ballz - Their was an unidentified substance found in some artillery shells near the beginning of this whole conflict. After testing by an indep. lab who specializes in chemical tests (yes since the US government selected the lab it must be more lies, correct?), it was found to be Sarin nerve gas, as reported in the chemical engineering news magazine. Infact I have the article on my desk at work if you would like to see it. The analysis shows Sarin is present as well as its major chemical degradant, which further proves that Sarin is there and at one time there in lethal doses, which constitutes a WMD.

As for you to say that Iraq was completely cooperative, WTF? Yes, they finally let in Hans Blix and his team of inspectors, but to go on record and say they were completely cooperative, what inspection process were you watching, the Tyson meet factory because I know it wasn't the coverage of the Iraqi WMD great cover-up? Scientist would not even talk to inspectors because they were afraid they would be deemed a traitor to Saddam and executed, along with their other family members. Is this the practice of nations with nothing to hide? I think not! Do you really think that "Chemical" Ali got this nickname because it sounded cool? No, he was dubbed "Chemical" Ali because he gasses his own people.

What about the human shields who went to Iraq to stand in front of innocent neighborhoods and hospitals. The Iraqi generals wanted to position these people out in the middle of the desert for some odd reason? Why do you think for, because they were afraid the International protestors would be more beneficial to stand infront of a weapons depot or suspected weapons depot however you want to look at it instead of protecting the innocent people of Iraq.

What good is a UN Resolution when it cannot be enforced? Fact of the matter is the UN, it doesn't matter if it is largely US and GB backed or not, and Iraq have been going at this for years since the first Gulf War. Iraq has constantly fired upon NATO forces patrolling the no-fly zones which came from a UN Resolution. What good is the UN when it cannot enforce the resolutions that is passes?

The Iraqi oil fields are not up and running to what they are capable of and of course you will not see the immediate impact at the gas prices. The prices are starting to lower for crude oil barrels (must be the whole cheaper oil for election time conspiracy since the democrats can't think of anything else to challenge President Bush on), and for the record, all oil doesn't just go to refineries for gasoline. Oil goes to many different industries but one worth mentioning is PLASTICS.

Iraq has the potential to be a very rich nation, like it was during the 1930's when it was at the head of the middle east countries. Of course, this is a US investment, when you help out the global economy you help out your own economy also.

Why not liberate Iraq from the big bad wolf and allow them to prosper with the rest of the world? Unemployment is extremely high in Iraq (i think the lowest city was like 9%), so we must remain committed to Iraq and give them the aide they need to make the transition to the modern world and hopefully 5-10 years from now, the people or Iraq, American public, and Nato members will appreciate what we did when liberating the people of Iraq from the Hussein and his sons.

Bigworm on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 9:18 AM

First of all Bush is the head of the government, but he isn't a dictator so he can't just give them body armor and the necessary supplies. He proposes these to the congress and they must vote on them. It is people like the Democratic Senator John Kerry who vote NO for these requests that keep our troops unprotected and in harms way. 88 million for body armor isn't that much for a war people, furthermore, I don't see how Kerry can say no to that request since he could single handedly pay for the body armor with the Heinz money his broad has. I refuse to vote for John Kerry when it is evident he doesn't care for the American people who he claims to represent.

Raul Duke on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 9:18 AM

Brock, you're pretty much dead on. Let's face it, no one is going to change the way they think about issues from such discussions, so what's the point in having them. I do enjoy listening to them though, thus the questions instead of my own rants (which get old quick).

Ballz, I really can't be taken that seriously. I was genuinely curious whether you thought Hussein should still be in power and if there really is a time limit for compliance with the UN resolutions against Iraq that have a military mandate behind them.

Church is indeed a little bitch.

Brock on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 9:23 AM

Does anyone want to run for president? I know people are going to nominate Church, but I think he would be better in Frankfort. I believe he has a bone to pick with the Kentucky gov't, and would provide an interesting contrast to typical Kentucky politics. However, getting him elected would be almost impossible since he has UofL ties. He does have the inbred thing working for him though, bitch!

adrian on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 9:33 AM

Church would be a good president, but it would be hard to get him nominated when he comes of age because of his Islamic or Arab associations.

Bigworm on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 9:39 AM

I peronally think that church should get into foreign relations and work for the government. This is the first step to taking over the world!

Green Baron on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 9:43 AM

Bush never mentioned Sarin gas in his SOTU speech....I'm saying it again. Who knows where that Sarin came from. It was used by insurgents, and one artillary shell with sarin is hardly a stockpile of WMD.....
I know Iraq had them, why? Because we sold them to them in the 80's to fight the Iranians

Chemical Ali is termed that because he gassed the Kurds, who were not his people. This happened it the early 90's immediately following the Gulf War. He used mustard gas that WE SOLD Saddam from the Iranian conflict. In addition, the Kurds were prepared to evacuate as they were aware Saddam wanted retribution for their betrayal during the first Gulf War when the advanced south. They were preparing to leave when the US intelligence, CIA operatives, informed them that the US would back them with defenses and would assist them in the overthrowing of Saddam, so they stayed. Saddam then gassed them and they blamed us. Look it up. Bush I was quoted on the golf course at the time saying, "I don't think we need to get involved in a conflict that has been going on for thousands of years". Oh really? Too late for that!

Where's your news source Wes....Fox News? I, on the other hand, choose to read the transcript of Hans Blix in his presentation to the UN as well as in his book, after all, he was the HEAD of the weapons inspectors, not Fox News. He stated that Iraq was extremely cooperative in every fashion. His inspectors were allowed to investigate in every building they wished and interview freely. He also felt that US accusations were unfounded and wrong, that Iraq was not a threat to the US. As for scientists refusing to answer UN interrogators, that accusation is unfounded and most likely warped by US media, UN inspectors never claimed that.

Human shields? OK, and I suppose the chemical weapons depot for the US in Terre Haute, IN, population 75,000 isn't? Or how about Alcoa Aluminum, who makes the aluminum used in US warplanes in Lafayette IN, pop 50,000 + purdue University 40,000. Or how about every military base in America situated in a US city.....
Damn, I guess we're all human shields aren't we?

I didn't deny Iraq violated No-fly zones. I said I don't blame them. Every report I heard stated a US spy-plane was shot at, or a predator drone, or a US plane encountered an Iraqi aircraft. Excuse me? That is Iraqi territory. They have a no-fly zone, that does not mean US intelligence has unlimited rights to their airspace. No drone aircraft or spyplane should be in Iraqi airspace. We had a no-fly zone between us and the Russians during the cold war between Alaska and them, and we both violated it all the time.

The oil comment was satire and an attempt at humor, I would gladly pay $1 a gallon more if it meant the lives of our soldiers and their civilians were returned.

And to Church's comment:
I pointed out over a dozen nations, and you pick 2 and call me full of shit? Just to spite your accusation:
The CIA secretly supplied cash and intelligent resources to Fujimora in his assession to the throne. Don't believe me? Ask any Peruvian, or checked the government released documents.
I'm not talking about Libya now. How do you think Gdaffi got to be in power? That's right, CIA helped him acquisition the country and financed his military, thinking if he was in there pockets he would follow their orders. Turns out the plan backfired and Gdaffi denounced the US. All of a sudden he's an enemy to the western world.
I'm damn sure they're right.

adrian on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 9:44 AM

We could send him over to North Korea to talk nuclear aggreements with Kim Jong Ill. And if that fails, we could send Brock over to North Korea to skull fuck that ass chode of a dictator. That would definately put an end to the nuclear scare.

Raul Duke on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 9:46 AM

Alright, if were going after murders and UN voilators, its time to do some thing about Israel. Really.

Green Baron on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 9:53 AM

And as for Brock, he's got the point.
This shit is done and over with it.
What would I do? Unilateral pull-out of Iraq.
"Oh no" you say, "we're in too deep now, we pull out now and it will look bad to the rest of the world"
Yah, that was the same excuse for 10 years of Vietnam. They have sovereinty, Saddam will not return to the throne, and frankly, they don't want us there. Us leaving would be the most admirable think in the eyes of the Arabs who hate us. And the rest of the world? A formal apology to the world would work nicely.
A formal apology wouldn't clear everything up, but it would go a long way to admitting we made a mistake. We've done a good deed by removing an evil dictator, but we are regrettfully sorry for making the mistake of invading a defenseless country.
Then attempt some serious nation-building. Do you realize that the 80 billion we spent on the military in Iraq could completely revitalize that country? Instead of funding the military to be there, which they don't like, we should fund to rebuild their nation.
Would it work? I don't know, but I would try it.
And don't respond, "That'll never work bla bla bla", because it is my opinion, and you don't know any better than me whether it would work. But it is what I would try. I am sure a formal apology would go a long way to repair the broken relations with all the countries we've pissed off in the meantime. In addition, it demonstrates that we can have a sympathetic heart and a caring view of the world, instead of a war-mongering nation. Perhaps it would even lighten the terrorist attempts on our nation.
I don't know, but it's what I would try before breaking out the guns....that never works.

Green Baron on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 9:55 AM

But then I would nuke Vietnam....just to proove we can kick some ass.

Green Baron on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 10:05 AM

don't get me started on Israel....that's just a serious all-time clusterfuck.

Bigworm on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 10:24 AM

Wow what a great proposal their Ballz. You should be Nader's running mate. We are just suppose to pack up and leave like we did in 91'. Yes, I know we did our job and liberated Kuwait from Saddam, but we should have taken care of this then.

You cannot pull out now, this is a country with an interim government. If we leave now, the people of Iraq will support the clerics like Al Sadyr with his anti-US sentiments and will completely destabilize this country, more than what it already is. Chaos will be everywhere. Yes, this is a country with an interim government, but remember this is a country fresh out of tyranny so they cannot figure this thing out overnight. It is going to take time, a lot of time.

The people of Iraq didn't want us there because we were occupying them. Would you want to be occuppied, no one wants to be. Instead, we are doing what we can as a security force, with the UN thanks to President Bush and Prime Minister Blair for getting the needed international support from NATO. We have to stay there and protect these people. I don't want to keep troops there either, and with the Nato backing hopefully we can get the Iraqi army trained and ready to take over their own country's boarders.

With a fragile interim government it will remain fragile until Prime Minister Iayd Allawi can gain some legitimacy. He has to do this by distancing himself from the US to show that he isn't a US puppet and it is important to turn the economy around, and to eliminate the foreign terrorist threats from his people. He must remain fair and impartial and most importantly this government cannot be a TYRANT of many. We need to train the army, rebuild the economy, and strenthen economical ties to them. I believe the 1st step is for countries to eliminate their debt, which I think the US is currently asking for the holders of their debt to do.

Green Baron on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 10:43 AM

Nice post Wes,
Did you happen to read mine? Specifically where I state don't come back and say, "That won't work because bla bla bla"
You have no idea whether it will work or not. I can tell you right now your idea won't work though, because we're trying it, and people are dying.
All your statements are your opinion of what will take place, and I'm sorry, you got no clue what will happen. Your empty rhetoric is symbolic of Johnson and Nixon's take on Vietnam. Is that what happened? Nope.
The sooner we apologize the sooner the UN will assist. Countries don't tend to mind as much when they're occupied by the smurfs and not the US. The insurgency will stop in Iraq after we leave. Not when we give them the power to vote, but when we LEAVE.
But this is my opinion, I have no proof, neither do you. Plus, the Iraq majority hates Al-Sadyr more than we do. So before you snap back and tell me what will happen, remember, it hasn't happened yet, and no one knows if it will. You're just repeating what you heard someone else say; just like you were repeating before the war that Iraqis will be rejoicing in the streets at their liberators. Another lie.

Bigworm on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 11:05 AM

Ballz - people are going to die. Especially when we are occupying a foreign country. However, the insurgency will not die when we leave. Insurgents have been destroying our shit for a while now. Bin Laden has been terrorizing us for years and his band of thugs will continue to do so. These foreign terrorists in Iraq are his band of thugs or have an affiliation with them.

We should give them the big "I'm Sorry" but that doesn't mean shit. What does mean something is that we are sticking by them. We could just pack up and leave but that would be giving them the big "Fuck You" and I am not infavor of that one.

Brock on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 11:19 AM

See... this is the problem when Wes and bizzaro-Wes (Isaac) or Isaac and bizzaro-Isaac (Wes) interact. Its just like matter and anti-matter... you think it would just cancel itself out, but it just explodes, or creates some huge-ass paradox, where all existence as we know it ceases to exist. My bad for destroying the universe.

On a side note: Doesn't Al-Sadyr remind you of some Nintendo nerd who lives in his parent's basement. He's a muslim cleric with a fat-ass gut, isn't this like opposite of the Islamic tradition? Church can fill in the details, but isn't moderation and self-restraint a huge teaching? You'd think a "radical" muslim cleric would be intense in his doctrine and not pig out on twinkies.

Raul Duke on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 11:22 AM

I wonder if Twinkee the Kid still wears the cowboy outfit on Middle East wrappers or if they change it so something less inciting?

Bigworm on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 11:34 AM

Yeah I am letting it go, before too long we will be calling each other nerds on the net looking more retarded than we already are.

Anyways....anyone up for an official political party? I am tired of the 2 party system and personally think reform needs to take place. We can decide on an official Party name and even talk about the major ideas and what our party stands for.

On a side note: I don't think the Communist Party will work.

Natty Sci politics - God save the world.

Brock on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 11:37 AM

I think the Natty Sci Party is a worthy title. No one will know what the hell it means, but thats the beauty of it. No one will have pre-conceived notions about what we stand for, and thus allow us to promote our views. The first hurdle is to come up with a consensus political view, and that's pretty tough.

Bigworm on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 11:40 AM

That will work until someone types in and they read this shit on here.

Green Baron on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 11:45 AM

There was no insurgency before we were there, now there is.
If we pack up and leave, you have NO PROOF of what will happen, whether it remains or leaves. I'm sorry, everything you are saying is SPECULATION.
I didn't say to tell Iraq we were sorry, I said to tell the UN and the rest of the world we were sorry. We have removed Iraq's dictator and given the opportunity to choose their own leader, I don't think an apology is necessary aside from the thousands of innocents we've killed to do it.
To quote Passenger 57, a cool fucking movie, "do you know how Israel keeps their hijackings at a minimum? They don't let hijackers on the plane"
at least, I think it was from that was from a movie nonetheless. Might have been from Executive Decision, who knows.
Anyway, the point is, we stop terrorism here. If we don't let the weapons on the plane, than we don't have to worry about them hijacking it. That goes with watching our borders. 150,000 people policing our borders is better than 150,000 of them in a firefight in foreign lands.
Sorry, we missed our chance at Bin Laden....Bush fucked that up in Afghanistan. I think we better come to the realization that we destroyed his network but the bad guy got away, and that's that. Plus, he's not in Iraq, so what the hell are we doing there?
Name me one terrorist they've caught in Iraq wanted by us? That's right, none. Not a single high profile terrorist has been caught in Afghanistan or Iraq. You can't name any. That dude in Baghdad that we killed in detention was not even wanted by us, he was wanted by the Italians, but we killed him after he was detained. Pakistan caught #3 or whatever, not us.
We stop terrorism at home, apologize to the world, pack up and bug out and leave the Middle East to the Arabs, the way it's been for thousands of years. You have no knowledge of whether that will work or not, only speculation.

Green Baron on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 11:47 AM

There are already alternative parties out there, The Green Party, the Reform party, the Libertarians. Unfortunately they're all full of shit.
I've been trying to get the People Who Hate People Party together....unfortunately I am finding difficulty setting up a meeting.

Phil on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 12:08 PM

If I was going to name a political party it would be the "Puppy dogs and Ice cream party" and our slogon would be "only a fascist would vote against puppy dogs and ice cream."

Bigworm on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 12:12 PM

I can see how that name hasn't caught on yet.

Of course it is in speculation. I guess we can just wait and see what happens and then use the Democratic Glasses of hine sight 20-20 (or Heinz sight 20-20) and come up with a better approach to the situation, which wouldn't matter because the ball is already rolling, and try to storm Washington based on past/current presidential mistakes.

Green Baron on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 12:24 PM

Or we could just nuke Vietnam....then everyone would be happy....
Except for the Vietnamese I guess, but they don't matter anyway. Cambodia can always make my shoes.

Green Baron on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 12:41 PM

Oh, and by the way, I am available for children's parties...
Actually, I steal most of my snide jokes from Bill Hicks, (except for the Cambodia one, that was a gift for Peter)the realist's hero comedian and the best comedian there ever was.
It's scary how true his jokes are today when he made them for the first Iraq war.
In fact, most of his jokes are scary.
Not all of them are about Iraq either, so conservatives might like him too.....
I suggest picking up a CD of his. But you guys might be too young for that stuff....
I mean, cause most of his jokes are about 80's stuff.

Marc on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 1:23 PM

How do you provide more soldiers for your war without enstating a draft in an election year?

Force retired soliders to serve and fight in Iraq.

Just goes to show there may very well be a draft AFTER the election.

Marc on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 1:59 PM

for fun here's a database of claim vs. facts.
by speaker and/or topic

Brock on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 2:35 PM

That site is BS Marcus... do you see a single comment from a non-republican on there? Its obviously an attack site. You can't tell me John Kerry or Bill Clinton hasn't claimed something that wasn't true.

Green Baron on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 2:44 PM

I hoped and prayed that he, in fact, did NOT have sexual relations with that woman...
But alas, I must live with that disgusting picture in my head.

Marc on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 2:54 PM

I agree Borck, it is partisan. But it does show verifed wrong statements... or lies by certain parties. It shows how certain right-wing commentators, O'Reilly, Roush, Hannity have been guilty of lying or twisting the truth. Look how many they have on Cheney. I agree there should be a left-wing one for balance, as long as things were proven before posted as this one lets you submit but verifies them before posting.

Church on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 3:07 PM

Funny Funny Funny. Number one, you said the CIA helped Fujimori acede to the throne. Wellm Peru has not had a monarchy since Pizarro destroyed the Incas in the 15th century, but I am sure the CIA created a monarchy, foold the world into the thinking Peru elected their leaders, and then helped him stay in power. If Fujimori was such a damned ally of the US why is he hiding in Japan and facing calls for extradition supported by the US. You would think the US could extradite him if they so chose. Also, there were no trasngressions in Honduras, the Americans used the country to fund attacks against Nicarauga. Argentina, no documented US involvement other than support for the British in 1982, Venezuala, no US involvement.
Finally, Libya. There is no damned support for Qadaffi. Qadaffir took power in the 1960s and quickly fell into the Soviet Camp during the period of Pan Arabism. He denounced the US as he strove for Pan Arab leadership and the US was the new hegemonic power. While the US had some oil interests in the region, there were never close US-Libyan ties and Qadaffi has always had a megalomanical streak. For God sakes, if you don't understand the nature of Western-Middle East relations, read Huntington's clash of civilizations or at least the BBC to learn what the hell you are saying

As for my political future, Foreign Affairs would be cool, but think of the carnage I could cause in Frankfurt. HMM, decisions decision. However, Foreign Affairs would be more fun.

Bigworm on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 3:32 PM

And once again....Church lays the smacketh downeth.

On a completely unrelated note, Looks like Gaines is heading to Houston.;_y...p&type=lgns

Green Baron on Wednesday, June 30, 2004 at 6:36 AM

By "throne" I was indicating his assession to power, and yes, the CIA assisted in this.
If the US was serious about extraditing Fujimora, than he would be extradited through pressure put on the by the Japanese. However, the US has no desire for him to be extradited, as that would mean testifying; where he would lay out the intricacies of US involvement.
Honduras....bullshit. There was an uprising against the oppressive government in which the US funded their military to strike down the uprising for fear that it would turn communist like Cuba. They also supplied intelligence as to the wherabouts of the rebellions leaders.
No documented involvement in Argentina? You're out of your league here wife is from Buenos Aires. The citizens of Argentina demanded release of classified US documents within the past year. In those documents is described that US intelligence officers were present during the "interrogation" of rebellious citizens against the militar government. Those citizens are still missing. In addition is described US aid to the militar government (prior to your war with Britain).
Venezuela, no US involvement? Have you been watching the news? Oil interests in Venezuela cause us to side with the wealthy oil distributors against Chavez in his removal. In his words, the US has funded small armies which have attempted his assassination. Not to mention our involvement of removing him and detaining him outside of Venezuela, only to have the uproar of the country demand he be returned.
I'm sorry, you're dead wrong on Libya...
Taken from the following web page
"For almost a quarter of a century, Washington pursued its strategic and economic interests in Libya without regard for the sentiments of the Libyan people. When the aging King Idris seemed no longer able to preserve the U.S. position, U.S. officials hoped that Qaddafi would do the job and, indeed, they were initially encouraged by the Libyan leader's anti-communist foreign policy."
You're full of shit. US supported his rise to power in hopes he would side with America for oil interests. The plan backfired and he denounced the US.
You better get your facts straight Church. Qadaffi hated the Soviet Union just as much, if not more, than the US, as he hated communism.
Libya used to be an extremely popular vacation spot for Americans and Europeans. They were never close?
I know what the hell I'm saying, do you?

adrian on Wednesday, June 30, 2004 at 6:37 AM

Church, you really don't have a life do you?

Green Baron on Wednesday, June 30, 2004 at 6:43 AM

Why don't you check out this also documents exactly what I've been telling you,
Nicaragua, Chile, Peru, all in the governments pocket during oppressive governments. The US had a belief in the 70's and 80's that oppressive governments could shoot down communism and support us if we gave them money, no matter how violent and terrible they were to their own people.
Specifically this paragraph:
In earlier times, Iraq's oil was completely owned by US, British, and other Western companies. In 1958 there was a popular revolution in Iraq. Ten years later, the rightwing of the Ba'ath party took power, with Saddam Hussein serving as point man for the CIA. His assignment was to undo the bourgeois-democratic revolution, as I have already noted. But instead of acting as a compradore collaborator to Western investors in the style of Nicaragua's Somoza, Chile's Pinochet, Peru's Fujimora, and numerous others, Saddam and his cohorts nationalized the Iraqi oil industry in 1972, ejected the Western profiteers, and pursued policies of public development and economic nationalism. By 1990, Iraq had the highest standard of living in the Middle East (which may not be saying all that much). It was evident that the US had failed to rollback the gains of the 1958 revolution. But the awful destruction delivered upon Iraq both by the Gulf War and the subsequent decade of intermittent bombings and severe economic sanctions did achieve a kind of counterrevolutionary rollback from afar.

Green Baron on Wednesday, June 30, 2004 at 6:50 AM

Here's your source for Argentina:
Inside contains the actual names of numbers of the documents released detailing the US's involvement in a gross injustice of human rights.
Quite a good read.
I've been to the Unversidad de Buenos Aires. In it is a giant banner with hundreds of names of college students who were "detained" and are now missing, 20 years after the militars have left power. Thousands of their citizens went missing, much like Iraqis and Saddam. Perhaps you heard the Sting song? All under the watchful eye of the United States CIA; all proved in those documents.
And people wonder why the world hates us?
Check your facts before you shoot back proof stands alone.

Green Baron on Wednesday, June 30, 2004 at 7:27 AM

Do you want to argue with me about US involvement supporting the immpressive governments of:
El Salvador, Cuba, Nicaragua, Panama, Chile, Afghanistan (both the Taliban and now the regional warlords (who are worse than the Taliban)), IRAQ (we watched brutal Saddam come to power, we knew he was brutal!), Somalia, or the countless others?
Because we can if you want...but I think you're straying away from my point: the United States should let other countries govern themselves without getting involved. And you can't argue the fact that the US has consistently gotten involved in the governments of other countries. Which is why so many people in the world hate us.
However, if you would like to nit-pic at small conclusions I make to detract from the truth of the big picture, be my guest.

Raul Duke on Wednesday, June 30, 2004 at 7:40 AM

Wow, this is still going.

Green Baron on Wednesday, June 30, 2004 at 7:47 AM

Woops...that's oppressive...not impressive.

Church on Wednesday, June 30, 2004 at 8:29 AM

Yep, while there was holdover US support in the early Qadaffi years, I will admit I was wonr on that. Qadaffi did not hate the Soviets. In fact he signed aid pacts in the 1980s and was constantly receiving Soviet arms-
Besides of course Qadaffi hated communism, he hates allforms of govt he doesn't originate, but by name Libya is a socialist state

Church on Wednesday, June 30, 2004 at 8:34 AM

On Argentina, the link mainly outlines suspicions, but neve provides direct proof. Additionally, the link on the site for tacit approval of the dirty war suggests the Argentine military took the comments of Kissinger out of context, much like Eden did Dulles' statment about Nasser being forced to disgorge the canal

Besides, on an agreement point, there are very few countries in the world that don't hate the US right because of cowboy unilateralism

Green Baron on Wednesday, June 30, 2004 at 8:39 AM

The government documents listed on the site outline the US's involvement in interrogation of Argenitine citizens, as well as their backing for the militars financially, not the site itself.

Green Baron on Wednesday, June 30, 2004 at 8:42 AM

Here's a great site about the CIA's involvement in the torture and capturing of Honduran rebels:
Unfortunately the site, as you can see, is from it might be biased.

Church on Wednesday, June 30, 2004 at 8:46 AM

Okay, the Dirty War docs sound very similar to the story of Romero in El Salvador. Also, I am very surprised you have not mentioned the ultimate US fiasco in Central America: Arbenz. In 1954 the US toppled the Arbenz regime because the Chiquita Bannana Company wanted them to.

Well, I will be back to dispute or argee in a few hours, staying up for three days straight sucks

Green Baron on Wednesday, June 30, 2004 at 8:53 AM

Another good site on the CIA
unfortunately it is biased too, and claims the CIA as the anti-christ. Oh well.....nobody's perfect.

Another Argentina source.
Unfortunately this is from the Clinton era....
Those documents have been released now, detailing the US's involvement.
Also notice on the site the "Honduras connection", detailing the US training the Hondurans on how to torture.
In fact, the CIA offered a school for it, training people from around the world (located in the first link), termed the "School of the Americas"

Church on Wednesday, June 30, 2004 at 8:56 AM

Honestly who doesn't know about the SOA, they had documentary going around for a while, some buddies of mine were arrested down there

Green Baron on Wednesday, June 30, 2004 at 11:22 AM

I learned everything I know about El Salvador from this movie:
It was good, freakin' scary though. I can't believe anyone would want to be a photojournalist after watching it.
"under fire" and "the quiet american" were good movies about US intervention, although not quite as true. However, I have no doubt that instances similar to the ones described occurred if not in that country, than another one like it.

KellyHarrison on Wednesday, June 30, 2004 at 12:21 PM

marc, old friend of mine died yesterday of drug overdose. just found out today. she's younger than all of us combined and just slightly younger than joanna. i wish there was such a thing as immortality sometimes. sigh...

Green Baron on Wednesday, June 30, 2004 at 12:49 PM

I don't think it's possible to post after that comment....

I'll try anyway...
I think for a Natty Sci get together we should (and I say "we" if you continue to read you'll see why) take a road trip to medieval times where we can do battle. After all, a jousting and sword battle is the best way to settle a discussion.
I said we because we could have like a Natty Sci vs. the non-natty sci, which would be like me....
Anyway, I want to cut someone's head off, medieval style, not insurgent-Arab-style.

Marc on Wednesday, June 30, 2004 at 12:54 PM

Freshman year at my school that had a sponsored event on the center quad. Had a half court basketball court for a three-throw contest, and an American Gladiator-style joust, and the big sumo suits. these last two would work for the group. so would paintball, but i suck at it and Adrian would kill me at it.

adrian on Wednesday, June 30, 2004 at 1:29 PM

Why don't "we" just play some paintball so I can put a 13 shot burst in yo grill

Marc on Wednesday, June 30, 2004 at 1:56 PM

was that english? i'm sorry i don't speak crazy.

Bigworm on Wednesday, June 30, 2004 at 2:12 PM

I am always up for a good confrontation especially with weapons.

Brock on Wednesday, June 30, 2004 at 2:33 PM

Paintball... sounds cool to me... but Wes can't have his chaingun cannon. They make mortars for paintball right?
How about those shoulder-mounted mini-nukes from Starship Troopers... that'd spray some paint.

"so I can put a 13 shot burst in yo grill" - Classic

Do they have anti-paintball body armor? I mean if you can have bulletproof armor, shouldn't you have paintball-proof something?

Marc on Wednesday, June 30, 2004 at 2:58 PM

Justice Department Says It Can't Share Lobbying Data Because Computer System Will Crash.

They are using Windows 95, and copying files will cause their computers to crash with unrecoverable damage. However the system will be upadted and copies should be available by December. Hmm. just after the election? Seems like a common theme for information distribution.

KellyHarrison on Thursday, July 01, 2004 at 12:05 AM

paintball sounds fun, but so does the midevil thing. i once went to a midevil jousting in las vegas, totally awesome. would love to fight with a sword and shoot paintballs at someone. would feel great for me at this point. ne one up for captain's quarters next sunday? i haven't been for a few weeks. i promise it's fun on sunday nights.

Phil on Thursday, July 01, 2004 at 4:47 AM

"ne one"?

you've got to be fucking kidding me.

Brock on Thursday, July 01, 2004 at 6:22 AM

This whole paintball idea is sounding a lot more fun every time I think about it. How better to bring the hate down than to blast someone right in the head from 200 yards.

Bigworm on Thursday, July 01, 2004 at 12:13 PM

I don't think most guns will fire from 200 yards away.

Bigworm on Thursday, July 01, 2004 at 12:14 PM

Okay all guns should fire, though I don't think the paint balls will travel 200 yards. I could be wrong though.

Brock on Thursday, July 01, 2004 at 12:43 PM

I just guessed a number which seemed feasible based on my understanding of paintball. Basically I just said something that sounded cool and would get people's attention without really knowing what I was talking about, like John Kerry.

Jay on Thursday, July 01, 2004 at 12:55 PM

Kellie, were you trying to say Medieval? Because you didn't. Why don't we combine the two ideas? Get some foam swords and axes, cover them with paint, and just go at it. Or we could use real swords and axes, whatever.

Marc on Thursday, July 01, 2004 at 1:33 PM

no, brock you state a number (200 yards away), and then had to acknowledge it was inaccurate, like Bush with the death toll, economy, job market, Iraqi civilian deaths, Military wounded, alloquated funds, and number of times God told him to do something.

Marc on Thursday, July 01, 2004 at 1:34 PM

waterballoons are always fun, and pussies like me are less likely to get hurt and bitch.

Green Baron on Thursday, July 01, 2004 at 2:24 PM

Nader always tells the truth at least....
"I'm an idiot" - Ralph Nader

So John Kerry, George Bush, and Ralph Nader go the the circus to find a magic mirror. The circus master tells them that if they tell the truth in front of the mirror, they get a fantastic gift. However, if they lie, they will cease to exist.
So John Kerry stands up and says, "I think I am the most worthy candidate", and POOF, a hot ferrari with two chicks appear in it and he hops in and drives off.
So Ralph Nader steps up and says, "I think I am the most honest candidate" and POOF, a fantastic hot ferrari with two dudes in it appears and he drives off.
So then George Bush steps up and says, "I think..." and POOF, he disentegrates.

Marc on Thursday, July 01, 2004 at 2:29 PM

well put ballz.

Brock on Friday, July 02, 2004 at 8:38 AM

I don't want to bring back Michael Moore, but I finally saw Bowling for Columbine all the way through, and I noticed a lot of quotes and comments I heard before... and then I realized that certain people were simply posting word-for-word comments from the movie...

I won't elaborate on whom those individuals were, but lets just say they weren't original thoughts...

Green Baron on Friday, July 02, 2004 at 8:49 AM

Watch it again, I swear to you, "Polish up my Klingon" was nowhere in that movie! I thought that one up myself!

Green Baron on Friday, July 02, 2004 at 9:02 AM

And by the way, in response to the Democratic Glasses with hind-site 20/20 or whatever, I agree completely. It's so easy to be critical after that fact is done and what should have been done, and so many people jump on the bandwagon and say, "what we did was wrong, we should've bla bla bla"
That's why I like Al Franken. He admits he wanted to go into Iraq. However, he feels he was lied to about the premise for war.
But I just wanted to state for the record that I was totally against Iraq at the beginning. In addition, I was totally against Afghanistan as well.
Yep, you heard right, I'm that radical bitch. I still think it was a bad idea the way we handled it. Covert ops and cruise missile attacks once his location was pinpointed would have been a better idea, which is what I was telling everyone at the time. Instead we rushed in there without knowing where he was, and trusted the thugs of the Northern Alliance to track him down; who didn't want to hand Bin Laden over to the US, they just wanted to oust the Taliban so they could regain control over their Opium fields.
This is what I always thought....and I'm not a Democrat, so that probably explains it.

Brock on Friday, July 02, 2004 at 12:21 PM

He IS that radical... I remeber when he said "I don't mind those British taxes, lets just be submissive colonies." Or that other time, "The South declared their independence, oh well... they can do what they please." Oh yeah, especially that time when he said, "Germany's got a right to rule the world, let 'em have it, or at least just France."

A true anti-war man if I ever knew one.

Bigworm on Monday, July 12, 2004 at 10:11 AM

Formula for Bush Administration Victory?

Here is one to debate. What if VP Dick Cheney decided to resign as the VP candidate due to "failing health reasons", which makes room for Collin Powell to run with Dubya. Is this change sufficient enough to give the Bush Administration a victory?

Marc on Monday, July 12, 2004 at 10:37 AM

people have been talking about that. but powell has loss ground with some Americans for lying, and it is rumoured he might not choose to return as Secretary of State. Does that mean VP? or just getting out of there? or just a rumour? Although many do agree Chenney is a drag on the ticket, personally I hope they keep him on, thus better ensuring a favorable election.

Things to look for in the near future:
(1)Osama Bin Laden and others terrorists showing up between july 26-28 and other key times before the election. (2) Tom Ridge's request to push back the election due to terrorst threats. (3) computerized voting machines that have a factor of being off by independent studies, and that have no paper trail (4) more religious-biased issues and churches telling how people should vote.

i'm decided not to talk politics with someone unless they bring it up. but i believe i said nothing above to incite any backlash. just my thoughts on wes's question followed by things that one might want to watch for. maybe nothing will happen with these points, maybe they will. i'll be looking for them.

Bigworm on Monday, July 12, 2004 at 11:04 AM

I think the big vote that Bush could gain from running with Powell is the African-American vote. The NAACP might quit backing Kerry/Edwards and choose to back Bush/Powell. 1st black VP! How can they choose not to back that? There are still plenty of Americans who feel that Dubya did right with Iraq and are tired of hearing about "the better way" that Kerry preaches on.

Furthermore, polls show that Edwards arrival hasn't really given the Democrats that push they were looking for by keeping it secret for so long, and Kerry is still pretty much even with Dubya.

Green Baron on Monday, July 12, 2004 at 12:10 PM

Cheney won't pull out, it will signify a defeat and a desperate attempt to win back voters.
Colin Powell's a shit and won't bring in voters.
But I do see the following happening...
Kerry winning this election, followed by him going up against McCain in 2008. McCain's gonna kick his ass because Kerry can't make radical changes to this administrations previous policy. The Republicans will run up the tally by abusing Kerry and showing how the Democrats demanded change and Kerry failed to improve, and that making changes failed.
I don't think Bin Laden will appear....frankly, I think he's gone. And putting in an imposter won't be done, as they haven't put fake WMD yet. They might try to claim he's been killed, but that likely won't work as no one will believe them...I imagine he'll remain at large and the Republicans will use it against the Dem's in the McCain election.
I think the computerized voting is horseshit. Why not use Social Security numbers and place your vote online? People hate that idea too, but WTFITD?
Tom Ridge will lose his toupee...
And religion sucks.
McCain in '08, Clinton in '12

Bigworm on Monday, July 12, 2004 at 12:33 PM

Religion does suck.
Clinton in '08 because Bush will win the election of 2004.

Brock on Monday, July 12, 2004 at 12:40 PM

Which Clinton are you talking about, because hell if I'm gonna vote for that Nazi bitch.

McCain in '08, '12
Miller in '16 '20
Schweitzer in '24 '28 '32 '40

They will decide to raise the term to 8 years in my second term, and count that as the first 8 year term, thus adding an additional 16 years to my supreme comm... I mean presidency.

Marc on Monday, July 12, 2004 at 1:27 PM

we let Germans run California, not all of America

Bigworm on Monday, July 12, 2004 at 1:59 PM

Austrians run CA

How 'bout another shrimp on the Barbie?

Green Baron on Monday, July 12, 2004 at 2:34 PM

Hilary has made a good record as a Senator and has majority support in her state, I think.
I'd rather vote for her than Kerry.

I'd rather vote for a monkey than Bush though.

Monkey in '16, '20, '24
Schweitzer in '28, defeated by returning monkey in '32 (he's gettin' old by this point, but makes a triumphant return inspired by Jordan coming out of retirement at the age of 68.

Green Baron on Tuesday, July 13, 2004 at 7:05 AM

Colin Powell as first black VP? Dude, Cheney is blacker than him. At least Cheney told another Senator to go fuck himself.
Can you imagine if Powell would have told the Iraqi representative in the UN to go fuck himself when he was telling about the WMD intelligence/lack of?.
That would have been so cool. I would have been fully for the war had Powell done some shit-kicking in the place instead of showing the photos of a lego set with arrows pointing to it saying, "World's largest bomb that will kill us all" or "Saddam's pecker filled with Sarin gas"
Powell's not black.

Green Baron on Tuesday, July 13, 2004 at 7:06 AM

And no, I'm not saying black people swear and get in fights......oh wait....yes I am.

KellyHarrison on Tuesday, July 13, 2004 at 8:26 PM

you can't accuse all black people of swearing and getting in fights. i agree that some do, but i know some very kind black people that wouldn't want to hurt anyone.

Marc on Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 12:30 AM

it was a joke kellie

Brock on Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 7:57 AM

This makes me think back to:

"Jay, slam your head off my dashboard!"

KellyHarrison on Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 5:49 PM


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